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Yeah, the idea that Avernum has SecuROM is really bizarre, considering Vogel has posted a lot about DRM, and how much he dislikes current PC attempts at it.
I wonder if it's some kind of error on the GG homepage? I don't think GG have programmers on staff to add SecuROM, especially as its proprietary and would cost money,
Vogel's views on DRM:
http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2009/09/some-kind-words-about-drm-for-once.html
Good spot, as well - I am passionate about Spiderweb games, because they are the utterly huge, fantastic Ultima-type RPGs that have a tiny but loyal customer base. I'd just hate to think people saw something on GG and presumed that the same was true if you bought them from Spiderweb direct.
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dougaiton: Yeah, the idea that Avernum has SecuROM is really bizarre, considering Vogel has posted a lot about DRM, and how much he dislikes current PC attempts at it.
I wonder if it's some kind of error on the GG homepage? I don't think GG have programmers on staff to add SecuROM, especially as its proprietary and would cost money,
Vogel's views on DRM:
http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2009/09/some-kind-words-about-drm-for-once.html
Good spot, as well - I am passionate about Spiderweb games, because they are the utterly huge, fantastic Ultima-type RPGs that have a tiny but loyal customer base. I'd just hate to think people saw something on GG and presumed that the same was true if you bought them from Spiderweb direct.

There are some games in the GG catalog that use a one time SecuROM activation at the request of a publisher that want some minimal level of DRM in place. For example, any of the 1C games on GG that are listed as using SecuROM, that's what they use. I'd imagine this is something along the same lines.
Honestly, all of this restrictive DRM is exactly why I have been avoiding most PC games. I so badly wanted to buy Left 4 Dead 2. Unfortunately, I have grown tired of the Steam platform. Sure it is quick and convenient, but in the back of my mind, I know that I don't actually own the copy of any game that I have purchased. Decades from now, should I so choose, I would like to play my games, regardless of my internet access or the standing of a public company. This is why I have not purchased a Steam game since they released Ninja Blade (which was only available in the U.S. as a download).
That is why I have turned to GOG. Sure I could switch to console gaming, but that just isn't something I care to do (if you play games and use computers, why not save money and invest in a PC that can play games?). Sadly, DRM is becoming more and more oppressive. Between all off these companies deciding to use Steam activation as a DRM alternative (even for retail discs) and Ubisoft's genius move to require a constant online connection, I honestly feel that the PC gaming industry is doomed.
PC gaming will pretty much be limited to GOG, any old games you find on Amazon and the stalwarts of PC gaming; Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo.
I wish these companies would stop spending money in DRM and just develop games that are actually GOOD.
Ubisoft is a particularly bad offender, since the majority of the game it develops are 1)console ports and 2) often not that great to begin with.
And for anyone doubting n.2, I'll just link you to this: sequel to a game that should not have been made in the first place.
I really can't fathom why would they want to develop another sequel to a crappy Ace Combat rip-off, especially since the first one was that bad.
And yeah, I was one of those that bought HAWX for the PC since I wanted to playe a new AC-like game. And yes, I am ashamed of this.
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Kailos: PC gaming will pretty much be limited to GOG, any old games you find on Amazon and the stalwarts of PC gaming; Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo.

No problem with that.
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Laidbackgamer: And yeah, I was one of those that bought HAWX for the PC since I wanted to playe a new AC-like game. And yes, I am ashamed of this.

Well I bought the first one only because it was DRM-free...
At least this time I won't have to buy the sequel ^_^
The next step is the final solution, time to execute the filthy, inferior pc gaming race.
Post edited May 08, 2010 by SirEnity
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SirEnity: The next step is the final solution, time to execute the filthy, inferior pc gaming race.

Not that fast.
First gather those who want to ascend to the pure, consolist, race and let them to do so. Then eliminate those who refuse grace of the superios console world.
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SirEnity: The next step is the final solution, time to execute the filthy, inferior pc gaming race.
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klaymen: Not that fast.
First gather those who want to ascend to the pure, consolist, race and let them to do so. Then eliminate those who refuse grace of the superios console world.

Or Ubisoft could surrender like the rest of their country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft
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SirEnity: Or Ubisoft could surrender like the rest of their country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft

Oh those French jokes never gets old 8P
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Tantrix: Now I feel emberrassed I bought Beyond Good and Evil and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time on GOG 8(
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Aliasalpha: No, those are the kind og games we have to encourage. For my money, the only decent things to come out of ubisoft in the last few years has been splinter cell conviction and assassin's creed 1 & 2 and those weren't anything like as good as they could have been

No, supporting ubi via gog enables them to implement further restrictions by fuelling them economically. The smart and responsible thing to do is to boycott ALL ubi products if you disagree with their current philosophy, but most people lack the conviction.
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anjohl: most people lack the conviction.

Excapt Sam
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anjohl: The smart and responsible thing to do is to boycott ALL ubi products if you disagree with their current philosophy, but most people lack the conviction.

Depends if one's objection to them is a matter of principle or a matter of pragmatism. If you find their actions highly objectionable on principle alone then sure, go ahead and fully boycott them. On the other hand, there are also folks like myself who just oppose the DRM they use because it makes for a shitty product. Not buying games that use this DRM isn't so much of a boycott, but just concluding that the DRM makes the specific product not worth they money being asked for it.
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anjohl: The smart and responsible thing to do is to boycott ALL ubi products if you disagree with their current philosophy, but most people lack the conviction.
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DarrkPhoenix: Depends if one's objection to them is a matter of principle or a matter of pragmatism. If you find their actions highly objectionable on principle alone then sure, go ahead and fully boycott them. On the other hand, there are also folks like myself who just oppose the DRM they use because it makes for a shitty product. Not buying games that use this DRM isn't so much of a boycott, but just concluding that the DRM makes the specific product not worth they money being asked for it.

But, by having anything to do with ubi economically, you are supporting the very thing you claim to despise. The only valid protest is a 100% disengagement from your relationship with them. Anything less is hypocritical.
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anjohl: But, by having anything to do with ubi economically, you are supporting the very thing you claim to despise. The only valid protest is a 100% disengagement from your relationship with them. Anything less is hypocritical.

Again, my own opposition to Ubisoft's new DRM isn't some matter of principle, they simply aren't offering a product that is worth what they're asking as far as I'm concerned. To me it's no different than not buying a game because it's a shitty game. You and some other folks can go ahead and try to make some grander statement through a boycott, but frankly I'm a bit too much of a pragmatist for such things, so I tend to base my purchasing decisions solely on considerations that are directly applicable to the purchase being considered.