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Kelefane: The constant need to upgrade a computer is a big turn off for some people. You only need the next generation console once for several years?
Mmmm, if you get a sufficiently powerful PC in the first place, more costly I know, you should get roughly the same longevity as a console, maybe longer. And a PC has flexibility built into it, and it would only be high end games that would be likely to maybe give an issue ... have some new hardware requirement.

Many, perhaps most issues with a PC, are down to cobbled together PC parts where compatibility between hardware can give grief. Many think a good PC is just about specs, where in reality it is still about how the hardware works together, and many high quality brand name PCs have greater compatibility going on ... or purpose built gaming PCs that are tested and finely tuned.

P.S. If you are going to own a PC anyway, the chances are you will be regularly updating anyway, and why miss out on the far wider range of games for PC.

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And if talking about longevity, you cannot go past how many games through GOG etc, that you can play on Windows 10 (plus Windows 11), that were released long before the first private game console, many decades ago.
Post edited September 27, 2021 by Timboli
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Jigowatts121: I know a lot of us are really annoyed with GOG at the moment but this has got me thinking about the future of DRM Free and PC Gaming.

Like 99% of us here, I grew up on systems like the ZX Spectrum, Commodor 64, Amiga 500 and PC. PC became my platform of choice although I don't have anything against consoles, I own quite a few.

For all the power advantages a PC offers we have have to jump through so many hoops to enjoy a game. More often than not antipiracy techniques cause huge performance issues, even look at something recent like Deathloop. I have a i5 8600k, RTX 3080 and 32GB of RAM. My PS5 runs the game better and looks very good.

Has anyone here seriously considered giving up on the PC as a gaming platform? at my grand old age of 33 I am really not sure I can be bothered spending the money and the time fighting against this nonsense anymore.
Nope. Plenty of games backlogged on numerous services (Steam, Origin, UbiSoft Connect, etc etc); plenty of games owned from retail; and plenty of games owned from GOG here - so, I ain't going anywhere.

And plenty of mods & whatnot out that there fix games and actually make them work.

Worth noting - sites like Steam, Epic Store (especially w/ their freebies), Origin, GOG, Amazon, etc; especially Bundle Stores (like Humble, Fanatical, IndieGala, etc) in the last few years; 3rd party stores like Gamersgate that sell Steam keys (and other keys); etc etc - these have exploded my game count to new heights.

I probably have almost 3000 games on Steam; around probably 350 on GOG; and who knows whatelse when you put Battle.Net, Gamersgate, Origin, and others on the list. And, I'm not even counting my bookshelves of retail-box stuff. I've got to be sitting around 4000 games on so, on services.

And no, the above's just PC - that doesn't count console systems & console games and other stuff I have - Atari 7800; 8-bit NES; Genesis; Game Gear; Playstation (original) and Playstation Classic.

I'd probably be good, even if I don't buy another PC game...as I could probably do just fine pulling out stuff I ain't played yet from my insane backlog and/or replaying games I've already finished.

Current desktop - yep, I do have a 10700KF; 16 GB RAM; RTX 3070; W10 x64 - and I'm good to go, for now and probably for a few years.

About Deathloop running poor - eh, did you really expect the Void Engine (which is based off the "Meh" performing Id Tech 5 that ran RAGE 1 from Id Software) to actually run that well? Stuff running off that version of the Id Engine 5 (Wolfenstein: Alt History games from MachineGames before Wolf 2 and Wolf: YB; and The Evil Within games) and/or also anything on Void (i.e. Dishonored 2 and DoTO) really doesn't have the best track record, performance-wise.

Heck, I'd guess even w/out Denuvo - yeah, I'd guess Deathloop would probably run poor. [shrug]
Post edited September 27, 2021 by MysterD
Boo hoo newest junk shooter sucks on PC doesn't mean PC platform is trash.

Its pros outweigh hugely any cons.
Post edited September 27, 2021 by VBProject
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nightcraw1er.488: Not entirely sure I agree with you there. Consoles are not drm by default. I have ps1-4, all physical media, I can use those in any ps system? I can use my carts on whichever switch? Now I know that modern ones are going more online shop and abandoning physical, but currently that’s not prominent. For instance, I have Diablo 3 on PS4, I can play it with nothing more than the disc (I even think there is a way to play without the disc), however on pc you need online connections and such like, so far more DRM’d. Cost is also mostly the same across systems, assassins creed odyssey was exactly the same pricing console/pc.

Ultimate form of drm is streaming. No ownership of anything.
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Timboli: Well you sort of answer yourself by mentioning the online PC requirement.

As for the PS consoles themselves, while the disc content may not be encrypted, the disc itself is recognized. So the ultimate test would be to burn a copy of a legit PS disc and see if that plays in your console. If not, we have DRM ... otherwise you could burn copies for all your friends etc. Ensuring you test while offline, else a game ownership check might occur, allowing some support for backups.

I am no expert on consoles I fully admit, even though I have most of them ... kids use them not me, especially after the slot insert PS3 chewed up my favorite music blu-ray. No more slot drives for me.
I believe there is a check to ensure the disc is a valid one, like the old disc checks. Doesn’t lock it to one machine but ensures it is not a copy. You need a chipped console to read non standard discs. So no different really than the old physical on pc. I believe, though not tried it on PS4, you can install custom firmware and read from iso and copied discs, but they don’t allow you out of the box.
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Kelefane: The constant need to upgrade a computer is a big turn off for some people. You only need the next generation console once for several years?
There is no "need" to upgrade constantly unless you only want to play the latest games in the highest settings. I've recently made a playtrough of Shadow Tactics (3rd one) in a DDR2 Q6600 machine with a GTX 750Ti, that's a 12yo computer with a 7yo entry level GPU.

IMHO, plenty of good games to play on not-top-of-the-line machines. It's a good way to enjoy some older games and reduce the backlog. In a console you cannot play every game anyway.
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Kelefane: The constant need to upgrade a computer is a big turn off for some people. You only need the next generation console once for several years?
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Dark_art_: There is no "need" to upgrade constantly unless you only want to play the latest games in the highest settings. I've recently made a playtrough of Shadow Tactics (3rd one) in a DDR2 Q6600 machine with a GTX 750Ti, that's a 12yo computer with a 7yo entry level GPU.

IMHO, plenty of good games to play on not-top-of-the-line machines. It's a good way to enjoy some older games and reduce the backlog. In a console you cannot play every game anyway.
Planescape: Torment; BG1&2; NWN1 & 2; Bioshock series; Fallout 1 & 2; Oblivion; Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate; Diablo 1 & 2; SW: KOTOR 1 & 2; Deus Ex 1; Thief 1 & 2 - yeah, a lot of awesome older games should run fine on that rig.
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Jigowatts121: I know a lot of us are really annoyed with GOG at the moment but this has got me thinking about the future of DRM Free and PC Gaming.

Like 99% of us here, I grew up on systems like the ZX Spectrum, Commodor 64, Amiga 500 and PC. PC became my platform of choice although I don't have anything against consoles, I own quite a few.

For all the power advantages a PC offers we have have to jump through so many hoops to enjoy a game. More often than not antipiracy techniques cause huge performance issues, even look at something recent like Deathloop. I have a i5 8600k, RTX 3080 and 32GB of RAM. My PS5 runs the game better and looks very good.

Has anyone here seriously considered giving up on the PC as a gaming platform? at my grand old age of 33 I am really not sure I can be bothered spending the money and the time fighting against this nonsense anymore.
I think console gaming is way better if a person just wants to play a game to unwind and not be bothered by anything else.

Unfortunately, I'm not that person.

I like old games, obscure games, experimental games, mods, rom hacks, fan translations, etc.. Everything that isn't on consoles is pretty much all I care about in gaming.

I'm not saying I never play multiplatform games. I do now and then, sure.

But if I were to limit myself to games available on one of the currently supported consoles, I might as well just quit gaming entirely.
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nightcraw1er.488: I believe there is a check to ensure the disc is a valid one, like the old disc checks. Doesn’t lock it to one machine but ensures it is not a copy. You need a chipped console to read non standard discs. So no different really than the old physical on pc. I believe, though not tried it on PS4, you can install custom firmware and read from iso and copied discs, but they don’t allow you out of the box.
Yep, which allows you to lend a disc to a friend with the same console, so they can play the game.

As for hacking your console, well there are risks with that, and most people in my experience never risk it. They don't want to risk it during warranty, and then they don't want to risk what is a dying breed of console.

I've entertained it but never been willing to take the risks myself.

Hell, I don't even hack my phone.

I guess if I was rolling in dough I might take a chance.
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nightcraw1er.488: I believe there is a check to ensure the disc is a valid one, like the old disc checks. Doesn’t lock it to one machine but ensures it is not a copy. You need a chipped console to read non standard discs. So no different really than the old physical on pc. I believe, though not tried it on PS4, you can install custom firmware and read from iso and copied discs, but they don’t allow you out of the box.
So: DRM, and pretty hardcore DRM at that. No backups = disk gets damaged/lost = no more game. Consoles are absolutely DRM by default.
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Zimerius: [1]Gee we might as well add if you go along that road that without pc's it would be impossible to edit those precious console games, and to be honest.. [2]the publicity and the enormous console crowd is just as much an innovation killer as a smaller crowd is.
[1] Without PCs, you wouldn't have consoles games at all, since they're manufactured at PC workstations. I'm not seeing your point. And modding on consoles can in theory be done on the console through the console. More so now (Xbox, PS4) than the previous generations that existed (PS3/360). But restrictions for the most part forbid it.

[2](a) PC isn't small, Steam is estimated at 120 million user accounts with 24 milllion concurrent users.
(b) Yet consoles are the ones still doing the innovating.
Post edited September 29, 2021 by lumengloriosum
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nightcraw1er.488: I believe there is a check to ensure the disc is a valid one, like the old disc checks. Doesn’t lock it to one machine but ensures it is not a copy. You need a chipped console to read non standard discs. So no different really than the old physical on pc. I believe, though not tried it on PS4, you can install custom firmware and read from iso and copied discs, but they don’t allow you out of the box.
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eric5h5: So: DRM, and pretty hardcore DRM at that. No backups = disk gets damaged/lost = no more game. Consoles are absolutely DRM by default.
Your scale is different to mine. Streaming is hardcore drm, you don’t have anything from the game. Next up is rootkit drm. Then online checks (eg online gating limited activations etc.). Then disc checks. Then codewheels and such like.
I haven’t checked it myself, but a quick search shows ways of burning a PS4 disc. Not saying it isn’t drm, but it’s not as bad as some. Take Diablo 3 for instance, PS4 disc check, pc online only. Diablo 2 seems even worse.
TBH apart from a few of us who actually do backups and offline installers, most people will only have one copy of a game so damage. Or loss is no game.
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How autistic do you have to be to unironically think DRM-free is more important than just playing good games? So many weirdos on this site who are obsessed with little nit-picky issues which they inflate in their own minds.
Post edited September 29, 2021 by Crosmando
I like games' modifications, especially story-driven. And occasionally develop modifications myself.

That's why I have chosen PC as my gaming platform. In addition, PC has a lot of other benefits, already mentioned in this topic.)
PC is cheaper long run. The games are absolutely cheaper than console especially if the games have been on the market for any amount of time. Also the hardware is cheaper long run. If you need to update a desktop computer, you can just replace a few parts sometimes. Also you might not need to update it at all. for a good long time.

As others have said, PC gives more control. Also consoles now adays often need you to download most of the game from a disk and you still need the disk, or you can just buy a total digital copy which may or may not work on a different console. and you'll keep running out of drive space.

PCs you can get solid state drives and have things run really fast, I'm not aware of any console that uses a SSD.

Console has better support for controllers and is a little better at multiple people playing in one room on a game than a PC. Also as someone else said they have unique games, like Nitendo's Zelda Breath of the Wild is suppose to be a awesome game, not sure it's worth buying a Nintendo switch for.
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Crosmando: How autistic do you have to be to unironically think DRM-free is more important than just playing good games?
Wow. You're the second person here after Yeshu in just one week who thinks hurling abuse at those with autism is funny, cool or clever.

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Crosmando: So many weirdos on this site who are...
The biggest freaks, weirdos and losers of all here are those like yourself who just can't stop hurling abuse at disabled people. Crawl back into your hole *sshole...