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Who cares if the doctor is a female, she will be gone just when you start getting used to her like all the rest as the BBC continues playing idiot musical chairs doctor game in its bid to destroy the franchise once and for all.
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tinyE: riveting argument XD

I should be writing this stuff down. :P
Oh yes I am sorry, I should elaborate.

It doesn't suffice to say "i am no racist" or "i am no sexist" just because it sounds cool and all the heroes of star trek say it.

When somebody advocates crushing a whole population based on it deserving it as a whole ("not greeks, but greece, totally different" - yeah, the same people die), because of some intricate economic mistakes and misbehaviours of its government, it's essentializing a population with indiscriminate murderous consequences.

When someone considers that there is a personality barrier between two sexes, with no overlap and with more significant differences between these two categories than within them, to the point where a same character could never be written as a male and a female (or that no prewritten character could stay credible with a gender change), it's profound gender determinism.

But realising this would require to think a bit about what is said and felt, think a bit of the implications, look at oneself, and this is completely impossible behind the self-representations that completely preclude the validity of any criticism.

And that's what it is about. Absolute zero reflexivity, because apparently selecting self-descriptive labels is sufficient. And questioning this self-representation is just blasphematory.

So yeah, you can write this down. Because superficial self-qualification with zero self-awareness is not the least issue of our societies.
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SirPrimalform: Except in this case we're talking about a fictional alien who changes all the time. When everything else about them changes every few years, why have you decided that masculinity is a defining trait of the character? If it's because all the actors so far have been white men, does that mean you'll also freak out if the Doctor isn't white at some point in the future?
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Breja: Well, at this point I won't care about any further changes anyway. But no, I wouldn't care in the same way, as I don't think skin color has the same impact on personality. It would still feel like forced political correctness, and it always feels a bit silly to me when alien races turn out to have the same ethnicities as humans (black Vulcans for example, though I liked Tuvok a lot as a character), and I guess it would depend on the actor they chose if I'd "buy" him as the Doctor.

Yes, in a way I do believe that "masculinity" is one of his defining traits, and yes, becasue it's one of the things that have remained consistant. I think it rather makes sense that it would be the things that remain consistant that become defining. Like I said already, I think some things have to remain consistant, or we'll end up with a completely different character who only shares the same name and using the "he regenerates, we can do whatever" excuse is not something I consider good writing. I'm not sure how to explain it better than I already did. In a way I already gave it a shot with Missy and I never really bought her as the Master. It never really clicked for me that it's the same character.

I don't know why you're calling it a "freak out". I think I've made my case pretty reasonably and calmly. People seem to have the need to imply fear or hate guide everyone who dislikes this (or similiar) decisions, but it's nothing like that.
But by that definition the Doctor must always be white because so far s/he has only been white. Do you see my point? I apologise for suggesting that you were already freaking out, I should have just said "does that mean you'll also dislike it". As for humanoid aliens conveniently having the same ethnicities as humans, that's just a consequence of them being played by pesky humans, who happen to have different ethnicities.
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jamyskis: I would actually remind you that the series "Elementary" switched genders for Dr. Watson, nobody batted an eyelid and it turned out to be an inspired decision.

Also, M became a woman in the James Bond films in 1995, and Judi Dench owned the role (useless bit of knowledge: in 50 years of Bond films, she's the only person to say the word "fuck" in any of them).
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Tauto: Never watched that series but a female Holmes would be unrealistic,I think.
Clearly! We're all well aware that womens' brains overheat if they try and think!

Oh wait, that's bollocks. Unrealistic how?
Post edited July 20, 2017 by SirPrimalform
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ReynardFox: With all the extremist feminist and SJW insanity going on right now, and the BBC being essentially run by these people... it reeks of pandering and pushing of agenda...
Your broflake tears are delicious.
Post edited July 20, 2017 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: Your broflake tears are delicious.
There are legitimate reasons to be skeptical of this casting choice right now. Jodie might be an excellent Doctor, Chibnall might do a legitimate job as head writer... but If you honestly think there's no chance this is a pandering, ideologically driven move, especially coming from the BBC, you're living in a dream world.

But you just dismissed me as sexist with that "broflake tears" remark, even though some of my all-time favourite movies feature strong female leads but whatever, keep building those strawmen and never try to understand what's wrong with the current social climate.
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Breja: Well, at this point I won't care about any further changes anyway. But no, I wouldn't care in the same way, as I don't think skin color has the same impact on personality. It would still feel like forced political correctness, and it always feels a bit silly to me when alien races turn out to have the same ethnicities as humans (black Vulcans for example, though I liked Tuvok a lot as a character), and I guess it would depend on the actor they chose if I'd "buy" him as the Doctor.

Yes, in a way I do believe that "masculinity" is one of his defining traits, and yes, becasue it's one of the things that have remained consistant. I think it rather makes sense that it would be the things that remain consistant that become defining. Like I said already, I think some things have to remain consistant, or we'll end up with a completely different character who only shares the same name and using the "he regenerates, we can do whatever" excuse is not something I consider good writing. I'm not sure how to explain it better than I already did. In a way I already gave it a shot with Missy and I never really bought her as the Master. It never really clicked for me that it's the same character.

I don't know why you're calling it a "freak out". I think I've made my case pretty reasonably and calmly. People seem to have the need to imply fear or hate guide everyone who dislikes this (or similiar) decisions, but it's nothing like that.
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SirPrimalform: But by that definition the Doctor must always be white because so far s/he has only been white. Do you see my point? I apologise for suggesting that you were already freaking out, I should have just said "does that mean you'll also dislike it". As for humanoid aliens conveniently having the same ethnicities as humans, that's just a consequence of them being played by pesky humans, who happen to have different ethnicities.
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Tauto: Never watched that series but a female Holmes would be unrealistic,I think.
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SirPrimalform: Clearly! We're all well aware that womens' brains overheat if they try and think!

Oh wait, that's bollocks. Unrealistic how?
You trolling me again,give it a miss.
If the Doctor's corporeal form is supposed to make him instantly fit in and get his way easily, I think making him female in this day and age is actually the logical choice if you look at it from that angle.
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SirPrimalform: But by that definition the Doctor must always be white because so far s/he has only been white. Do you see my point?
I was talking about things other than appearance. I spoke about it in some other thread already, but long story short I think there are characters who should not be "race swapped" because it would actually change something important (for example Batman - he's supposed to come from old money, the Waynes are supposed to have been a leading family in Gotham since it's founding and that obviously wouldn't work if they were african american) and characters where it realy doesn't matter (Perry White is now being played by Laurence Fishburn and I'm perfectly all right with that, he's a good casting choice and I can't think of any reason Perry's race would matter).

When I speak of things that remaind consistant I don't just mean that the Doctor was refered to with male pronouns, or the impact gender has on character (which I think it definately does, but it's not the only or most important thing that does) but also the Doctors relationships. He is Susan's grandfather, River Song's husband, the man Rose fell in love with. It's easier for me to think of his new incarnation as the same guy, when I can still say none of that has changed, even if it never comes into play. And that doesn't mean to say that as a grandmother he wouldn't love Susan just as much or anything like that, but it's a different relationship.

You know, one of my favourite books ever is The Left Hand of Darkness. which is all about a race that is "ambisexual", with no fixed sex. It's a brilliant, beautiful, phenomal book. But obviously, it's characters are written with that ambisexuality in mind from the start, as is their culture. Doctor Who was written for 50 as male, nothing else. There was never even any suggestion of Time Lords' sex not being fixed untill very recently, and even then those were rather transparent ways of telling the audience "he can regenerate into a woman and it's canon so shut it!" than laying any decent groundwork for it.

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SirPrimalform: I apologise for suggesting that you were already freaking out, I should have just said "does that mean you'll also dislike it".
No problem, and thank you for being reasonable.

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SirPrimalform: As for humanoid aliens conveniently having the same ethnicities as humans, that's just a consequence of them being played by pesky humans, who happen to have different ethnicities.
I know. I just like it when, if they have to have different ethnicity, instead of being white, black and asian aliens are blue and green like Andorians or something like that. Like I said, it's not a real issue for me, just something I nitpick at. Like lizardwomen having boobs in Divinity: Dragon Commander.
Post edited July 20, 2017 by Breja
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jamyskis: I would actually remind you that the series "Elementary" switched genders for Dr. Watson, nobody batted an eyelid and it turned out to be an inspired decision.

Also, M became a woman in the James Bond films in 1995, and Judi Dench owned the role (useless bit of knowledge: in 50 years of Bond films, she's the only person to say the word "fuck" in any of them).
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Tauto: Never watched that series but a female Holmes would be unrealistic,I think.
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Tauto: Never watched that series but a female Holmes would be unrealistic,I think.
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amok: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115085/][.../url].
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Hey, I remember that! Wasn't Watson her dog in that series?
Post edited July 20, 2017 by Breja
Timelords retain their memories after regeneration but their personalities change so this makes me actually curious about sexual identity.
The male Doctors were atracted to females (straight) so in a gender swap is she a lesbian or by being straight does she become attracted to males?
The Doctor Who RPG is in a bundle over at Humble Bundle.
Post edited July 20, 2017 by Smannesman
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Smannesman: The Doctor Who RPG is in a bundle over at Humble Bundle.
Hey, that's awesome! I'll grab it at once. Thanks.

Unfortunately there's very little chance I'll ever get to play it, but I'm still curious about it anyway.
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ReynardFox: But you just dismissed me as sexist with that "broflake tears" remark, even though some of my all-time favourite movies feature strong female leads but whatever, keep building those strawmen and never try to understand what's wrong with the current social climate.
You're the one who started talking about extreme feminist SJW agendas. I'm sorry, but I can't take any arguments you make seriously if you throw those kinds of terms around.