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timppu: If a grocery store is not carrying a certain brand of cheese in their store, it is not an insult towards me (their customer), it is just their business decision what they offer in their store. If I want that cheese very badly, I buy it somewhere else.
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fronzelneekburm: False equivalence. If the grocery touts itself as "only the best cheese in town to be had here" and all you find is the standard shit you can buy in every supermarket, at some point you will call them out on their bullshit.
False equivalence. The question was not about GOG carrying "the same shit as other stores", but that they don't carry something, and/or don't explain publicly in detail why they are not carrying something.

In fact, the complaint seems to be the opposite: people in this thread demand GOG should offer _all_ the same shit as other stores.

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fronzelneekburm: Yup, that's exactly what I did. All my gaming budget went to Fat Fuck Gaben. I'm not proud of the fact, but gog forced my hand.
So what is the problem then? Do you express similar ire to a store near you because you had to go to a supermarket to get a certain brand of cheese? Will you go in front of the smaller store to have a public demonstration what a shitty store they are because they didn't offer the cheese you wanted?
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StingingVelvet: Curate and people complain, don't curate and people complain.
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fronzelneekburm: Here's what really happens

Curate and people complain and you don't make any money, don't curate and people complain but you'll make shittons of money.
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TentacleMayor: It discredits the store and insults the customer. It shows they care only about getting their cut, not about selling quality products. Even if they did abandon curation, it would be way, way worse than Steam because of GOG's refund policy.
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fronzelneekburm: No, gog refusing outstanding games under the guise of "we know what's best for you" discredits the store and insults the customer.

And the refund policy would not be a problem. Steam is much more lenient: played the game for 2 hours or less => eligible for a refund. Gog won't give you a refund the instant you downloaded (let alone played) your game. I don't see the problem.
It would be a huge problem. Imagine you buy a broken game, or a game that exists purely to troll players, or a game that has false advertising on the store page. On Steam, you can get your refund, no questions asked, and it's removed from your library. On GOG, the DRM-free policy makes this impractical, so you'd either be stuck with the game, or you'd have to deal with a massively overloaded customer support system (because of all the broken/troll/fake games) that GOG simply cannot afford.

Also, as a customer, I'd much rather miss out on a few good games than have to wade through tons of shit every time I open up the store. And yes, good indie games get lost in that shitheap too. Valve can't fix the inherent problems with their mountain of cash, what makes you think GOG can do it better?
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timppu: In fact, the complaint seems to be the opposite: people in this thread demand GOG should offer _all_ the same shit as other stores.
Yes, I would 100% be in favour of that! Let this shop drown in asset-flip Unity shit but give me the chance to pick the gold nugget from the slurry. Because as it stands now, gog refuses plenty of gold nuggets while releasing plenty of slurry.
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timppu: So what is the problem then?
The problem is that I am less than happy to buy from Steam. Should it not be obvious? Why the hell else would I even want these games on gog?

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timppu: Do you express similar ire to a store near you because you had to go to a supermarket to get a certain brand of cheese? Will you go in front of the smaller store to have a public demonstration what a shitty store they are because they didn't offer the cheese you wanted?
If the coffee they serve at Starbucks are 5° below your liking, do you write an angry letter to your congressman? C'mon dude, what kind of bullshit do you think you're pulling here, asking me dumb shit like that?

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TentacleMayor: It would be a huge problem.
No, it wouldn't.

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TentacleMayor: Imagine you buy a broken game, or a game that exists purely to troll players, or a game that has false advertising on the store page.
You mean like every other game that gog releases these days? I can point you to a list...

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TentacleMayor: Also, as a customer, I'd much rather miss out on a few good games than have to wade through tons of shit every time I open up the store.
This attitude is just beyond comprehension for me, sorry. It reflects negatively on your behaviour as a consumer more than anything else. You need someone to guide you through the steps. Say, do you think the "curated collections" on the gog front page are a good idea, too?
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richlind33: I'd wager that the vast majority of devs would *welcome* seeing clearly stated, objective criteria for game acceptance on GOG.
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timppu: They get it when they offer their game to GOG.

Quite often the decision to reject or accept a game might be simply due to timing. Ten other similar games being released at the same time? Sorry, but we'll have to reject your #11 game for now.

I say it again: such "transparency" would just cause even more anger and arguments among the entitled customers who think they somehow should have the power to decide how GOG runs its business. If GOG said a game was rejected due to "not suitable to the store" or "bad timing", these same people would demand GOG to elaborate, or reverse their decision.

GOG would really not benefit anything from all the extra work they'd put into achieving such "transparency".
Yeah, imagine "all the extra work" it would take to write up an FAQ. lol
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fronzelneekburm: False equivalence. If the grocery touts itself as "only the best cheese in town to be had here" and all you find is the standard shit you can buy in every supermarket, at some point you will call them out on their bullshit.
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timppu: False equivalence. The question was not about GOG carrying "the same shit as other stores", but that they don't carry something, and/or don't explain publicly in detail why they are not carrying something.

In fact, the complaint seems to be the opposite: people in this thread demand GOG should offer _all_ the same shit as other stores.

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fronzelneekburm: Yup, that's exactly what I did. All my gaming budget went to Fat Fuck Gaben. I'm not proud of the fact, but gog forced my hand.
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timppu: So what is the problem then? Do you express similar ire to a store near you because you had to go to a supermarket to get a certain brand of cheese? Will you go in front of the smaller store to have a public demonstration what a shitty store they are because they didn't offer the cheese you wanted?
I do need someone different

When I use Gandhi people point out his use of nuclear weapons in certain civ games.
Can't hurt to vote:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/have_wishlist_votes_actually_matter_and_taken_into_account_during_the_curation_process
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rjbuffchix: [...] Games that are seemingly tailor-made for many GOG users, [...]
Who are the gOg users? Me? you? tinyE? the thousands that don't use the forum? do you have any data on what sells and what does not sell on gOg?
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rjbuffchix: [...] Games that are seemingly tailor-made for many GOG users, [...]
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amok: Who are the gOg users? Me? you? tinyE? the thousands that don't use the forum? do you have any data on what sells and what does not sell on gOg?
Leave me out of this, I'm just a Bot.
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rjbuffchix: Games that are seemingly tailor-made for many GOG users,
I'd really love to see your reasoning about that claim. I would be hard pressed in trying to guess what games are tailor-made for an average GOG user.
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rjbuffchix: Games that are seemingly tailor-made for many GOG users,
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tomimt: I would be hard pressed in trying to guess what games are tailor-made for an average GOG user.
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amok: Who are the gOg users? Me? you? tinyE? the thousands that don't use the forum? do you have any data on what sells and what does not sell on gOg?
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tinyE: Leave me out of this, I'm just a Bot.
bots has feelings too....
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tinyE: Leave me out of this, I'm just a Bot.
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amok: bots has feelings too....
No we don't.


And I just know that link is going to be removed and I'm going to get a warning for it. :P
My guess is that most of their curation is based on whether a game will make enough profit or not, simple as that. We've seen enough cases of games being accepted here only after they got successful on steam.
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rjbuffchix: Games that are seemingly tailor-made for many GOG users,
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tomimt: I'd really love to see your reasoning about that claim. I would be hard pressed in trying to guess what games are tailor-made for an average GOG user.
How about classic games, and games without DRM that don't suck donkey balls? lol