I wish they'd give the voice of the narrator is SS an actual model though....wink wink.....;)

He's a lumberjack, baby. You KNOW what a lumberjack looks like!

No, the woman voice from SS2.....lol. :P

Well, I've never played the demo and I haven't played any since the original xbox but I'd never judge the full game by the demo - I'd only use a demo simply to get a feel for what the final game would be like. I mean, sure, a lot of demo's are just like the finished game but not all of them are, and its not a good way to judge the quality of the finished product - Crisis buyers, for example, should have known that.

In my life I've seen just as many demos that aren't like the finished game in certain ways. Some demos had content, features or mechanics that the finished game didn't have (from Alien Breed to Gladius), some had levels that were unique to the demo (from Cannon Fodder to Tomb Raider 3, I cant think of later games of the top of my head that may have unique levels), some demos didn't even resemble the finished game in anyway (Skeleton Krew is all I can think of right now, lol).

I don't expect Duke Nukem to be great but I doubt its as bad as some people are saying, I don't see it being much different than Bulletstorm, as immature as it is, a lot of people seem to like that game. (never played that either)

I'll agree with ya on the expansions, thats just shit.

but that wont stop him from taking credit for anything that is good ...

SCRIPTED EVENTS and titty jokes are fine for adventure games, but not for (non-tactical) shooter games.

no one is going to review this game based on that, they will however review this game based on how it compares to it's spiritual successor: Serious Sam.

I never claimed I had any kind of inside information, I just took the time to read peoples reactions to the demo and combined that with this guy going on the offensive about shitty reviews.

as you said it's your Opinion and you are entitled to it, 20+ levels is nothing if each one takes 5 min to finish not to mention that the game is confirmed to virtually no multiplayer elements (to be DLC-ed in latter), Serious Sam is a knock off, makes not effort to hide that it is a knock off, and a very good one that exceeds the inspiration, and your talking about a videogame: the tittles are polygons, you can't touch them, and it's an innuendoed blow job that happens off screen so I'm afraid that your dreams of watching a polygon dick get sucked by a polygon mouth will have to go un-fulfilled.

What did I miss?
I know that money or profit is the goal for developer/producer, but he said that if a market demands a Call of Duty 11, go give it to them. Why take a chance?
Oh and if we are going to take the movie hyperbole, Scott Pilgrim was a massive miscalculation by doing internet polls and hype. Just like Snakes on a plane. You could say that money and not so much innovation was the driving point behind those.

Citizen Kane was a box office disaster, yet is considered the best movie ever. The same could be said for Planescape. We would be much poorer if people did not take chances.

1. Agreed

2. D3D(As we keep saying) was full of toilet humor and tits......and what's wrong with some scripted events? Yes some games overuse them but if done right and not too often they can be good.

3. The fair ones will.

4. Shitty reviews of a DEMO....and one which many seem to be making their final decision on, no less.

5. A: The levels are going to be long...they were cut down for the demo. Some on duke4 confirmed this by looking at script/voice acting resources hidden in the demo which prove the levels are being cut for the demo people played.

B: Oh stop with that crap about "titties" in games were ok when I was 16 but now they're sooo childish and anyone who likes them is an immature tween/etc" allusions.

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. For somebody that's convinced that the game is going to be a steaming turd you're awfully confidant that he'll end up wanting to take the credit.

It was a demo for crying out loud. How are they going to show the range of stuff that they need to show without scripting parts of it? I for one am amazed at how much stuff they were able to work into the demo.

Given that you haven't played it, I'm really curious on what basis you're claiming to know what is and isn't acceptable for a demo. The point of a demo is to give people a taste so that they go out and buy the game. This demo seems to be doing just fine in that respect.

Perhaps idiots will, but Serious Sam is a completely different series with completely different goals and such. Anybody that's seriously going to be bitching about Duke Nukem Forever not being an SS game can GTFO.

Then get your head out of your ass and stop pretending like you know something the rest of us don't know.

That's one of those exceptions to the rule.

The point is these companies cannot exclusively take chances. I'm sorry it ruins the whole art of video games, but until we untie peoples' ability to eat bread from what they spend most of their time doing you're going to see far less pure art than you'd like.

You're the one who went into the hyperbole that we'd never see any more Citizen Kane video games and only Call of Duty XXII or something. Clearly that's not true, even when game companies look out for their bottom line.

Rosebud is the sled's guy from when he was an old man.

Titties in Duke 3D were icing on the cake, they were post production fluff to polish off an already awesome game.

Sure the NPC writing in borderlands was pretty clever, and claptrap was funny, but actually playing the game was a snore fest thanks to the null factor of dieing and "aiming is optional because I'm going to stand in the open" enemy AI.

the story in Section 8 is pretty shitty, but I don't really care because the plot is the last of my concerns while I'm having a blast blowing the hell out of things. and much like that, really great Sex jokes do not make a good Duke Nukem game.

(and since you guys like to quote the glory of D3D's strippers, here is a little reminder of how "glorious" they were ...)

grrr, link got swapped ... FIXED! ... and here is that risqué porn show.)

I still liked them, and found it to be an integral part of Duke's repatoire.

And even though you couldn't die I still loved the game because in order to progress you had to try the same part until you got it right, making it just challenging enough to be fun...even with regeneration checkpoints.

On the contrary, they are a very important part of it....and were also a great part of D3D. Not just the killing/ass kicking.

You do realize that quite a few of us have Duke 3D and have played it recently, right? Both with and without the HRP fixes.

Plus, that link is broken.

it's fixed now.