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GhostQlyph - 1 - amok
Vitek - 1 - GhostQlyph

Not voitng: The rest of yous.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is set to Monday 16th at 22:00 UTC.

Deadline in 120 hours.
soooo..... what has changed since the beginning?

1) We got a re-instated player (vitek), but I would just assume that he took over the exact same role.
2) We killed the mod, but we still have a mod
3) SirPrimalform was killed, but it was a jest, but this means (as far as I understand the wiki) that he is town
4) some people have died

Can a player change alignment without anything happening?
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GhostQlyph: I have jumped between THREE WAGONS after I was finished playing sillybuggers in the first 2 (?) pages. I am the most consistent player in this game, easily, because I haven't changed my mind on anyone I've actually voted for after RVS. Oh, and not ONE of those was SirPrimalform -- he was obviously not scum to me because I know he would play that more carefully. He struck me from the start as goofy-ass town doing silly things, though I have to admit Jester never came to mind. Oh, and if you'd like go back through -- I never called him out once. Not once.

I explained EXACTLY why I'm voting amok and Vitek. I'm sorry if you people didn't get it, but if I've explained multiple times and everyone just gawks at me like I'm stupid, then fuck 'em. I'll continue to sit stubbornly on my empty little wagon over here while you jerks run in circles and knock each other over like a pack of hallucinating penguins. I'm not voting anyone but amok and Vitek this day, and I will jump between those wagons on a whim without a care for how it makes me look. I'm dead certain they're scum.
You also haven't given a quote, or anything other then 'They said this!', and gave us no idea where they said things.

This isn't the first time I've asked you for this. In fact I know I did 5 days ago and I can easily quote myself. I looked at your posts against amok...and read back to his posts and I found that I couldn't come near the same conclusions.

Vitek to me has said one thing that strikes me as scummy, and right now it doesn't feel like it's enough to justify a lynch.

And after doing some quick rereading, your case against amok seems to hold less water then a cup without a bottom. But that's a quick reread from a link you provided.

But honestly, where should I look, what am I looking at? Answering these questions shouldn't be difficult if you're dead certain that they're scum. I guess I can reread fully while biking, but with this presentation, I'm not very pleased to have to be doing it this way.
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amok: Can a player change alignment without anything happening?
Looking at the mafiascum wiki, there are [url=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Alignment-Changing_roles]a few roles[/url] that can cause alignment changes. No idea if Zchinque is using any of these though.
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amok: Can a player change alignment without anything happening?
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JMich: Looking at the mafiascum wiki, there are [url=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Alignment-Changing_roles]a few roles[/url] that can cause alignment changes. No idea if Zchinque is using any of these though.
Cheers.

Psychiatrists sounds like it should be fitting for this setting, but it should then be an increase in townies, not scum...

Maybe there is an Evil Mastermind in the game?
Okay, so EnsembleofShadows seems to be gone( as I haven't received a PM as TwilightBard did), but we are still able to activate seances( although I'm not entirely sure how).

I must also say, having found Ghost suspicious on day 1, and having unvoted him/ her at the beginning of day two, GhostQlyph hasn't done much to make me confident about his/ her alignment. There's something scummy in Ghost's actions to me, from the prolonged randomness of his/ her day 1 play, to the constant insistence that amok is scummy( a drum Ghost has been beating pretty steadily since day 1).

Therefore, Vote: GhostQlyph.
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CSPVG: Okay, so EnsembleofShadows seems to be gone( as I haven't received a PM as TwilightBard did), but we are still able to activate seances( although I'm not entirely sure how).

I must also say, having found Ghost suspicious on day 1, and having unvoted him/ her at the beginning of day two, GhostQlyph hasn't done much to make me confident about his/ her alignment. There's something scummy in Ghost's actions to me, from the prolonged randomness of his/ her day 1 play, to the constant insistence that amok is scummy( a drum Ghost has been beating pretty steadily since day 1).

Therefore, Vote: GhostQlyph.
I'd like to ask how consistency is scummy? I've not voted a single person I wasn't saying we should vote. But hey, whatever. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and think so. Actually, you know what? I keep forgetting, there's no reason for me not to claim.

My role is Smeagol - Untargetable Townie.

I'm immune to night actions, that means as long as I'm in the game, Town has a fighting chance. If you want to kill off a guaranteed town win, that's on you. Especially since I'm jumping on no wagons but my own.

Also, now you know why I had that extended craziness on Day 1. You're welcome.
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GhostQlyph: I'd like to ask how consistency is scummy? I've not voted a single person I wasn't saying we should vote. But hey, whatever. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and think so. Actually, you know what? I keep forgetting, there's no reason for me not to claim.

My role is Smeagol - Untargetable Townie.

I'm immune to night actions, that means as long as I'm in the game, Town has a fighting chance. If you want to kill off a guaranteed town win, that's on you. Especially since I'm jumping on no wagons but my own.

Also, now you know why I had that extended craziness on Day 1. You're welcome.
Immune to night actions you say? Well, this can't possibly be true, because I'm Constable Bastian, Naive Town Cop, and I investigated you during Night 1.

Given, I did find that you were town. If you are immune to night actions, however, should I not have gotten an incomplete/ failure message when I investigated you last night?

You may all be wondering just how I know that I am a naive town cop, and that is a valid question. Ghost has just confirmed for me something that I have suspected since I received my role PM, which is written in poem form and gives several injunctions to me to be nice and prevent nastiness. If this weren't enough of a give away, flubbucket's death and reveal increased my certainty; and now there's GhostQlyph's claim.
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GhostQlyph: I'd like to ask how consistency is scummy? I've not voted a single person I wasn't saying we should vote. But hey, whatever. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and think so. Actually, you know what? I keep forgetting, there's no reason for me not to claim.

My role is Smeagol - Untargetable Townie.

I'm immune to night actions, that means as long as I'm in the game, Town has a fighting chance. If you want to kill off a guaranteed town win, that's on you. Especially since I'm jumping on no wagons but my own.

Also, now you know why I had that extended craziness on Day 1. You're welcome.
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CSPVG: Immune to night actions you say? Well, this can't possibly be true, because I'm Constable Bastian, Naive Town Cop, and I investigated you during Night 1.

Given, I did find that you were town. If you are immune to night actions, however, should I not have gotten an incomplete/ failure message when I investigated you last night?

You may all be wondering just how I know that I am a naive town cop, and that is a valid question. Ghost has just confirmed for me something that I have suspected since I received my role PM, which is written in poem form and gives several injunctions to me to be nice and prevent nastiness. If this weren't enough of a give away, flubbucket's death and reveal increased my certainty; and now there's GhostQlyph's claim.
So you are saying that Ghost was definitely town on Day 1, but is now lying about the role.... and given that the mod has told us that we have had an increase in scum.... hmmmmm......

I trust you, my voices tell me that a non-Norwegian would not use the name Bastian for a naive cop :)
I guess I should start playing again.

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SirPrimalform: Well of course I did, I was a jester...

Right, but I still got lynched. Because it was so obvious, it would have been clear to the scum that I had a motive and wasn't just being extraordinarily bad at being town. To everyone else, I could have been playing extremely badly as scum or a jester. My point is there might be something to glean from the fact that the scum would have known I was not scum, moreso than a normal mislynch.

I didn't double post, the forum duplicated my post after I left the thread somehow. Zchinque has very kindly allowed me to live though, so on we go.
Were you Jester since start of game, only unable to win on Day 1 or did you become one?

(Small note: If you are town aligned, it would be more helpful if you claimed jester and ask us to lynch you. It would save us time.)

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SirPrimalform: Hmm, good point. I was thinking of myself as mod confirmed but he did say not to trust him so I'll bear that in mind.
I don't want to got his route. Mod is only thing in game providing info we can just accept in game and if we really couldn't trust mod and doubted even flips and such, it would make the game almost unplayable.


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GhostQlyph: I have jumped between THREE WAGONS after I was finished playing sillybuggers in the first 2 (?) pages. I am the most consistent player in this game, easily, because I haven't changed my mind on anyone I've actually voted for after RVS.
Inability to adjust your reads is nothing to boast about.

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Zchinque: "Has the number of scum increased since the beginning of the game?"

No silence this time, but the same horrible voice. It sounds like it comes from everywhere and nowhere.

"Yes!"
Ugh, that's horrible.


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TwilightBard: Vitek to me has said one thing that strikes me as scummy, and right now it doesn't feel like it's enough to justify a lynch.
What was it?
I want to know.
I need to know!
Tell me!
PLEASE!!!

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CSPVG: Immune to night actions you say? Well, this can't possibly be true, because I'm Constable Bastian, Naive Town Cop, and I investigated you during Night 1.

Given, I did find that you were town. If you are immune to night actions, however, should I not have gotten an incomplete/ failure message when I investigated you last night?

You may all be wondering just how I know that I am a naive town cop, and that is a valid question. Ghost has just confirmed for me something that I have suspected since I received my role PM, which is written in poem form and gives several injunctions to me to be nice and prevent nastiness. If this weren't enough of a give away, flubbucket's death and reveal increased my certainty; and now there's GhostQlyph's claim.
This is more than enough for me.
CSPVG is much more trustworthy for me, even with flub's flip.
GhostQlyph was scummy to me before (mostly how she was more concerned with her own scummines over successful lynch and her cases without any backing. Also she says that SirPrimal was too scummy to be scum and it sounds like she knew he is town and didn't vote him to gain credit) and I don't like her claim at all. She rushed to claim with only 2 votes to which to me looks like eagerness to present her false claim and to get people off her backs without any real defense.
The part how she is indispensable and how we have no chance of winning without her doesn't sit too well with me.
Vote GhostQlyph.


Who is Constable Bastian?
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Vitek: Who is Constable Bastian?
The only police in Cardamom Town.

He has only one law, you may say he is the worlds only anarchistic chief of police :)
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GhostQlyph: I'd like to ask how consistency is scummy? I've not voted a single person I wasn't saying we should vote. But hey, whatever. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and think so. Actually, you know what? I keep forgetting, there's no reason for me not to claim.

My role is Smeagol - Untargetable Townie.

I'm immune to night actions, that means as long as I'm in the game, Town has a fighting chance. If you want to kill off a guaranteed town win, that's on you. Especially since I'm jumping on no wagons but my own.

Also, now you know why I had that extended craziness on Day 1. You're welcome.
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CSPVG: Immune to night actions you say? Well, this can't possibly be true, because I'm Constable Bastian, Naive Town Cop, and I investigated you during Night 1.

Given, I did find that you were town. If you are immune to night actions, however, should I not have gotten an incomplete/ failure message when I investigated you last night?

You may all be wondering just how I know that I am a naive town cop, and that is a valid question. Ghost has just confirmed for me something that I have suspected since I received my role PM, which is written in poem form and gives several injunctions to me to be nice and prevent nastiness. If this weren't enough of a give away, flubbucket's death and reveal increased my certainty; and now there's GhostQlyph's claim.
That's disturbing. I think this is the stage where I have to ask the mod WHAT THE HELL?

Either he's slipping hardcore or my role PM was a lie. And there was very little to hide in my role PM.

If it's the latter, I hope I get lynched. This specific game has shaken my faith in Mafia.
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amok: The only police in Cardamom Town.

He has only one law, you may say he is the worlds only anarchistic chief of police :)
Cheers.

Sounds legit with role.
Gollum as Untargetable town doesn't so much.
Ghost, could you explain what makes Gollum untargetable?
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amok: The only police in Cardamom Town.

He has only one law, you may say he is the worlds only anarchistic chief of police :)
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Vitek: Cheers.

Sounds legit with role.
Gollum as Untargetable town doesn't so much.
Ghost, could you explain what makes Gollum untargetable?
Smeagol, not Gollum. The PM was insistent on this.

According to the role PM, at night I curl up inside myself and become dead to the world--

Oh FFS Zchinque, that's just assholes.

That's worse than bastard mod play. "Untargetable Townie no haha sorry its all in your head."

Right.
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Vitek: Who is Constable Bastian?
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amok: The only police in Cardamom Town.

He has only one law, you may say he is the worlds only anarchistic chief of police :)
Wait a second.

Unvote: GhostQlyph.

You're still my chief suspect, Ghost, but I think it would probably be good to wait until at least Sunday to lynch someone.

Why I'd like to hold up, is that I'm a little bit confused. If Constable Bastian is the only policeman in Cadamom, then could I be our only true policeman? I need to think this through more thoroughly, but I fear the only way we could know for sure( at this stage, at least) is if we lynched GhostQlyph.