hmm..... but if he misses then there is just an equal chance there will be no tomorrow, because there will be one extra townie dead. With a shoot 2 people die now + night kill, without 1 person dies now + night kill. I think there is something there I can not quite put my finger on, but it feels wrong.


That's right, he just said he was Joker, not which alignment he has. I missed that.

I got a question then - who are (and friends?) ....

I am getting more and more nervous about this whole shooting thing now.

I can only state what my role win condition is.
I can't definitively answer this question of your quiz.

This response, from you, I somewhat expected.
In your posts, a certain wiliness I have detected.

I am leaving the choice of who I kill up to the group.
Treat it as an extra lynch, and that is the full scoop.
If that makes you nervous, then I must ask "why?".
At this point, pro-town folks are pretty much do or die.

I'm free to post once again, and will be doing so more regularly( I hope). I'm glad to see that the discussion seems to have picked up around here.

Vitek:

Firstly, concerning your reply to me in post 545, I know that the logic I used was poor, and stated so in post 519. I explained that I used a circular sort of logic: I think I'm right, therefore I am. So yes, it is incredibly idiotic.

Concerning post 584 and your statement on Ghost's role: I think that it is at least possible for both of us to be telling the truth. Ghost's role sounded a bit like a joke-role to me, as Ghost lay on his/ her bed and withdrew into himself/ herself to become untargetable. By which I mean to say, perhaps Ghost's role was non-existent. I could investigate him/ her and come up with a town read, and Jmich could investigate him/ her and find Ghost to have no powers. This is, of course, just a theory.

In general:

I'm confused as to how this seance business works. On day 2, I addressed the Ensemble of Shadows directly in post 428, and by post 435 we had a seance. Today, I ask about having a seance, post 528, receive a non-committal reply from the moderator, and then we have another seance in post 573. Perhaps it's not important how the seance activation works, as at least we get some information from it.

That's all from me for now. Thank you to the moderator and all the other players for being patient about my absence. You seem to have got on just fine without me. :P

Why? Naive cop gets town result on any investigation, even if he investigates a dead player. That gets resolved before untargetability.
Role cop (if you want to call it that) gets resolved after untargetability, so ability fails, and no reading is returned.

Another thing, I love is the fact that you referred to GhostQlyph with QuadrAlien's name, and even though one could argue that it was an educated guess, you didn't respond when corrected. Could it be that you were trying to warn QuadrAlien?

Quite a lot of small things that you can probably dismiss, but the fact remains that you try to dictate the 2 we should kill today, claiming that Day-Vig means town confirmation (it doesn't, it just means Day-Vig confirmation).

And one more. You claim role-cop is usually scum aligned, and use that to strengthen your position against me, then assume Day-vig means town, then also assume that a double-voter is also town (though amok corrected you on that, since it's not TB's power on its own).

I remain convinced that you are trying to manipulate the townies into killing 2 townies, so you don't even have to resort to Night Kill.

P.S. You still haven't commented on the fact that there are 3 people in the game with names of killers. Or has Jim Carrey or Tony Hill killed someone that I'm unaware of?

I think that EoS and the seances are two different unrelated things. EoS is somehow connected to TB's role name, but the seances are for all of us. Off course, it may be that TB is somehow channeling it.

Are you survivor?

Do you think there has to be scum in JMich/CSPVG duo? I don't see how there couldn't be. So for me the best course of actions is to have option to kill them both if necessary in one day.
Even if you don't think it is the case, it is benefical to shoot.
You keep putting it like we are sure to succeed if we only lynch but miss when we shoot. The reality is we are not in good situation. It is almost sure we will lose if we mislynch. By shooting first we increase our chances to get to next day at all.


The thing is, according to JMich's claim, he didn't get "no power" result, he wasn't able to get any read at all. So one of you got result, the other one didn't. Do you see my problem with it?

Are you up for vigging plan? Who would be your prefered target?


May I ask you how do you know this?
How did you discover that naive cop can investigate dead player? When does untargetability gets resolved? I lived in assumption that untargetability doesn't get resolved but that it just exist.

This is just something I am not willing to accept at all as it would mean that the game is just stupid.

The truth is I made mistake at first but I discovered it before I posted that post. I decided to keep it anyway to poke Ghost. I was quite amused when someone else actually was Gollum. That's all mystery behind this. I hope you enjoyed it. :-)

I am not trying to dictate, I am trying to achieve the best possible outcome by offering the course of actions I believe to be optimala for town. I certainly am trying to persuade people to agree to vigging today, I don't deny that, but people can choose whoever they want.
I personaly believe one of you is the best course of action and of course I am voicing my opinion and trying to sell it to other players. Everyone should do this.

So? What's the point?
That's experience.
Role cop is usually scum aligned as it helps mafia to find PR to kill. But you are not scummy for being role cop, it just adds to it and means that claim is not something to redeem you.
Extra shot is very powerful for mafia and they are very very unlikely to appear in game, so yes it is quite safe to assume he is non-mafia aligned.
I am not claiming it makes him confirmed town, though. Right now I even think he is probably neutral. The important thing is, even if he was SK or somthing like that, we control his shot right now and can use it for town benefit even if he is not direct part of town.
I never assumed double-vote makes TB town, it only makes him slightly more likely to be town than scum and that's it. Nothing more to it.

Why exactly would I want to avoid night killing? If I am scum, there is no doctor (as I am un-CCed doc) night kill is the safest way for me to go. At least it doesn't involve convincing whole town to agree on kill. ;-)

OK, I am commenting on it. Happy? :-)

I wonder what did you expect. Admittance that it makes us the 3 killers mafia? There is no possible sane answer I could give to this whatever alignment I am.
I also wonder why you keep calling Gollum killer. I don't recall him being killer.

Nah, I know exactly why are you asking it. You are not waiting for my response, you just want to bring attention to it without just directly saing it makes us (me and Krypsyn) scum.

I win when only town and myself remain.
I don't know how I can be more plain.
The win condition I got says nothing more,
but just that with scum I am certainly at war.

I don't. I'm speculating. Just like you say that untargetability should be resolved before naive cop, thus naive cop shouldn't get any result (have you any proof of that?), so am I saying that a naive cop action trumps all other factors.

See above.

Even though I'd rather not comment on the running game, I do agree

As I said, small things that can be explained. But too many coincidences.

I also agree that shooting is unlikely to worsen our position. I don't like the fact that you are doing a: "Oh, fine, let's shoot one of those two and lynch the other".

So one usually scum alligned role gives scummy point while the other gives townie points. And kills mean town aligned, oh, sorry, town or neutral aligned, after being called out on the town alligned.

The paranoid side of me says backup plan. The slightly less paranoid side of me says for kicks, to see if you can actually manipulate town.

Yes. Commenting when called out about something.

A comment. Saying "Yes, that makes me mafia" is not something I expect for you, unless you are a jester trying to pull a BBB's Gambit.

The Hobbit. He did kill (and eat as I recall) quite a few goblins and orcs. Not to mention poor Deágol who didn't have a birthday present, though you are correct, and that was Smeagol killing, not Gollum. So feel free to scratch the part about having only 3 killer names ingame, we do have 4.

See above, Deágol does make my points about naming moot. Unless Zchinque also forgot about Deágol.


So, when all is said and done, I'm waiting for Krypsyn to do the shooting. Only thing I can do during the day is vote, and that is what I've done.

We have also made our stance clear. We have voted, and think that it is best to shoot after this night. The voices now tell me to barricade myself in my cell and wait for the fallout off whatever you lunatics will decide.

Me: Real Person
Vitek: Real Person
JMich: Real Person
Krypsyn: Fictional Person
Amok: A food Chain? Wiki and Google both account for this...I really need more information here.
CSPVG: Fictional Person

Damnation: Real Person
JoeSaphire: Real Person
flubbucket: In light of the theme of the game, Fictional Person
GhostQlyph: Fictional Person
QuadrAlien: Fictional Person
SirPrimalForm: Real Person

Well, I thought that this might end up shedding a bit of light on what we need. I don't real. ly see any pattern (Remember, Ghost was Town, and Joe was a medium, seemed like he had some sort of power role...maybe)

Amok's is the only one I don't fully understand, I'd like some extra flavor there if as all possible.

Ok, on to the can of worms that was opened today. Considering our position, I don't see a reason to not use Krypsyn's Daykill power. If we screw up, it puts us as Lynch or Lose (Or it should, because I don't believe that there are 3 Mafia left).

What I'm seeing in JMich's posts is that he's looking for ways of pushing attention away from himself as a possibility. It looks to me that instead of pushing a case against someone being town or scum, he's pushing a case simply that we shouldn't listen to Vitek. And, I get the idea that the town shouldn't have one person pushing like that.

BUT, Jmich and CSPVG to me represent the best chance we have of finding scum...if we get a cardflip. Role Cops are usually scum that I've seen. But at the same time, it would make even more sense if there are two cops, allowing the Mafia to know which one was naive. But at the same time, there's no way to be sure that CSPVG is telling the truth there...his posts about how he thought he was the normal cop put me a bit on edge on the whole situation.

Although, if we had to choose one...I think CSPVG is probably the more obvious choice, it might have been a simple mistake but it's such an odd one if his role was clearly Naive Town Cop.

....And I'm Rambling...wonderful.

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I do not think I am allowed to tell anymore than what I did in post 554 (I already got 2 mod warnings for transgressions. I do not think I get a third, so will play it safe)

There is but one problem: a role-cop is usually scum aligned, but a vigilante is not.
A serial killer is anti-town, but a vigilante is pro-town; that is the general thought.

You say I was "called out", I tend to disagree.
I just posted my exact role, to see what would be.
I wondered how people would take my claim, and I wanted to see reactions.
Yours strike me as the words of someone trying desperately for distractions.