Posted November 19, 2014

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Kerchatin
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Posted November 19, 2014


Next, Magmarock, please, don't act like there is no way you're "going to be able to hide that".
I don't mean to stray from the main discussion, but I do find your attitude rather annoying and somewhat offensive.
How does one create a thread like this while keeping it bias free? EASY. Don't mention the games you dislike. Full stop.
Does it really aid your cause enough for you to warrant slighting Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend?
You could have just said something like: "Why aren't games like Wrack and Retrovirus on GOG when there are plenty of bad games on here." or something like that?
See? Easy. All you've accomplished here, is the same as if you had've merely discussed the absence of those two games, except now you've also pissed off and lost respect and/or credibility in the eyes of many.
Was it really worth it?
It's okay, we all make mistakes, apologise and don't do it again, but please don't give us some lame excuse as to why you can't keep your biases out.
GOG picks games for various reasons, be it they think it will sell, it's highly acclaimed, it's an actual "good old game", or something else entirely. So comparing completely different types of games and saying that if one type can go on then another should is just ignorant.
Walking simulators, visual novels, whether you like them or not is irrelevant. There is a market for them, and people do enjoy them, but they're very different types of games to Wrack or Retrovirus. Comparing a visual novel and a shooter is a pretty unfair comparison and does nothing to help your case. Comparing two different shooters, that's one thing, but comparing different genres entirely is not really the way to go. People play them for different reasons, so asking "why do these get on and not those?" is a pointless question.
Please stray away from the comparisons. Stick to your main point.

But we don't know what sort of negotiations there have been, maybe they made ludricous demands and from my experience GOG had the best interest for their customers while I can't say the same from the publisher/developer's.

Wrack and Retrovirus are both very refreshing games. The reasons you listed are pure speculation and I'm not interested in speculation. GOG are usually pretty open about this sort of thing but this is different. They also denied Braid. I don't even like Braid, but I think that's insane, as if that game wouldn't sell like pancakes on a site such as this.
I'd like to know why these games were refused and I'd like to appeal that decision to.
Yes, those reasons are all speculation, but you immediately siding with the devs/publisher, or immediately assuming that they rejected Braid for no good reason is just as bad!
As others have said, we only ever hear the devs side, so none of us are really in any position to judge or claim who was right and wrong.
As you said, Braid would probably sell well, so I doubt they rejected it because they didn't want to make more money. Obviously there were plenty of other factors involved, so don't act as though GOG is in the wrong, when you don't know what really happened.
You do realise that there are a lot of legal issues involved as well right? Very often, in licensing and other legal negotiations, both sides are meant to keep quiet about it. They are legally not allowed to reveal aspects of the process involved or reasons for acceptance/rejection.
This situation is not necessarily a clear cut case of GOG withholding information from us. Perhaps they cannot due to legal reasons. Perhaps the devs should not have revealed their side of the story either (though, because it's such a minor case, nothing would ever come it).
I'm not trying to go out of my way to defend GOG, but I'm also not trying to demonise them, or immediately place the blame on them either.
While we might all like transparency, sometimes that's not an option with things like this.
exactly this.
Thank you!
Post edited November 19, 2014 by Kerchatin

jefequeso
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Gog works in mysterious ways

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So they pour hot sauce over their popcorn too? Because that's what I do. Nowadays I can barely tolerate popcorn if it doesn't have hot sauce on it. I'm sure you're happy to know that and to that I say..."You're Welcome!"

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i like my food salt
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i like my food salt
very salt

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wilberforce mcgee the third for all your jailbond skipping scum needs we wil clothes line em !

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Post edited November 19, 2014 by jefequeso

Magmarock
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Posted November 19, 2014

Next, Magmarock, please, don't act like there is no way you're "going to be able to hide that".
I don't mean to stray from the main discussion, but I do find your attitude rather annoying and somewhat offensive.
How does one create a thread like this while keeping it bias free? EASY. Don't mention the games you dislike. Full stop.
Does it really aid your cause enough for you to warrant slighting Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend?
You could have just said something like: "Why aren't games like Wrack and Retrovirus on GOG when there are plenty of bad games on here." or something like that?
See? Easy. All you've accomplished here, is the same as if you had've merely discussed the absence of those two games, except now you've also pissed off and lost respect and/or credibility in the eyes of many.
Was it really worth it?
It's okay, we all make mistakes, apologise and don't do it again, but please don't give us some lame excuse as to why you can't keep your biases out.
GOG picks games for various reasons, be it they think it will sell, it's highly acclaimed, it's an actual "good old game", or something else entirely. So comparing completely different types of games and saying that if one type can go on then another should is just ignorant.
Walking simulators, visual novels, whether you like them or not is irrelevant. There is a market for them, and people do enjoy them, but they're very different types of games to Wrack or Retrovirus. Comparing a visual novel and a shooter is a pretty unfair comparison and does nothing to help your case. Comparing two different shooters, that's one thing, but comparing different genres entirely is not really the way to go. People play them for different reasons, so asking "why do these get on and not those?" is a pointless question.
Please stray away from the comparisons. Stick to your main point.

Yes, those reasons are all speculation, but you immediately siding with the devs/publisher, or immediately assuming that they rejected Braid for no good reason is just as bad!
As others have said, we only ever hear the devs side, so none of us are really in any position to judge or claim who was right and wrong.
As you said, Braid would probably sell well, so I doubt they rejected it because they didn't want to make more money. Obviously there were plenty of other factors involved, so don't act as though GOG is in the wrong, when you don't know what really happened.
You do realise that there are a lot of legal issues involved as well right? Very often, in licensing and other legal negotiations, both sides are meant to keep quiet about it. They are legally not allowed to reveal aspects of the process involved or reasons for acceptance/rejection.
This situation is not necessarily a clear cut case of GOG withholding information from us. Perhaps they cannot due to legal reasons. Perhaps the devs should not have revealed their side of the story either (though, because it's such a minor case, nothing would ever come it).
I'm not trying to go out of my way to defend GOG, but I'm also not trying to demonise them, or immediately place the blame on them either.
While we might all like transparency, sometimes that's not an option with things like this.
After reading your paragraphs, I don't think you quite understand what I've been trying to say. I'm not on anyone’s side here. There is good evidence that games have been rejected and I'd just like a little light on it. If there are legal reasons then surely GOG can be a little open about that too. In the stream they hinted at a possible appeal for Nordic games. I'm simply suggesting and requesting more insight into the rejection precess. Since the loss of Nordic I haven't found any games to really get existed over since and I would like that to change.

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Posted November 19, 2014
Yeeouch, alrighty then. I guess I can understand their thought process even if I don't agree with it, do you have a mac for that?
Post edited November 19, 2014 by NoNewTaleToTell

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