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hudfreegamer: I don't know how to delete a post, so ignore this.
NO! I shall bring all of the attention in the universe onto this post. Everyone will see it. You cannot escape! :O
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Leroux: You know when I read the OP I was with you until you started promoting the games of your choice at the cost of other titles you deem not worthy to be on GOG. If you don't think it's right that GOG makes seemingly arbitrary assumptions about what their customers want, you shouldn't do so yourself either. Apparantly there are enough people who enjoy the titles you dislike, and insulting the taste of these people has brought nothing constructive to the table, it's only drawn attention away from your topic about Wrack and Retrovirus. You could have just said: "These games belong on GOG because they have oldschool gameplay", and left your bias against Hatoful Boyfriend and Gone Home out of the discussion.
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Magmarock: Perhaps, I don't think I can discuss this without my biases coming out. I mean yes of course I'm going to promote the games I personally like and believe should be here. My view isn't so much that Gone Home shouldn't be here it's more if GOG can accept Gone Home and a visual novel then surely they can accept these others as well. Yes I am biased yes I have a high opinion of Wrack and Retrovirus and a low opinion of Hatoful Boyfreind. Don't think there's anyway I'm going to be able to hide that.
First of all, thank you Leroux.
Next, Magmarock, please, don't act like there is no way you're "going to be able to hide that".
I don't mean to stray from the main discussion, but I do find your attitude rather annoying and somewhat offensive.

How does one create a thread like this while keeping it bias free? EASY. Don't mention the games you dislike. Full stop.
Does it really aid your cause enough for you to warrant slighting Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend?
You could have just said something like: "Why aren't games like Wrack and Retrovirus on GOG when there are plenty of bad games on here." or something like that?
See? Easy. All you've accomplished here, is the same as if you had've merely discussed the absence of those two games, except now you've also pissed off and lost respect and/or credibility in the eyes of many.
Was it really worth it?
It's okay, we all make mistakes, apologise and don't do it again, but please don't give us some lame excuse as to why you can't keep your biases out.

GOG picks games for various reasons, be it they think it will sell, it's highly acclaimed, it's an actual "good old game", or something else entirely. So comparing completely different types of games and saying that if one type can go on then another should is just ignorant.
Walking simulators, visual novels, whether you like them or not is irrelevant. There is a market for them, and people do enjoy them, but they're very different types of games to Wrack or Retrovirus. Comparing a visual novel and a shooter is a pretty unfair comparison and does nothing to help your case. Comparing two different shooters, that's one thing, but comparing different genres entirely is not really the way to go. People play them for different reasons, so asking "why do these get on and not those?" is a pointless question.
Please stray away from the comparisons. Stick to your main point.

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Strijkbout: Keep in mind that the reasons for rejection are almost always the words of the publisher/developer, there is nothing easier for them to say that GOG rejected them because the game wasn't good enough to make them look good.
But we don't know what sort of negotiations there have been, maybe they made ludricous demands and from my experience GOG had the best interest for their customers while I can't say the same from the publisher/developer's.
This.

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BlackThorny: snip
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Magmarock: Yeah I clicked the participation thing for AVP on the first day to try out Galaxy, but so far I still haven't heard anything.

Wrack and Retrovirus are both very refreshing games. The reasons you listed are pure speculation and I'm not interested in speculation. GOG are usually pretty open about this sort of thing but this is different. They also denied Braid. I don't even like Braid, but I think that's insane, as if that game wouldn't sell like pancakes on a site such as this.

I'd like to know why these games were refused and I'd like to appeal that decision to.
First of all, when you say "[you] still haven't heard anything", do you mean that you never got your copy of AVP2000? If so, you should contact GOG about it. I got mine a day later.

Yes, those reasons are all speculation, but you immediately siding with the devs/publisher, or immediately assuming that they rejected Braid for no good reason is just as bad!
As others have said, we only ever hear the devs side, so none of us are really in any position to judge or claim who was right and wrong.

As you said, Braid would probably sell well, so I doubt they rejected it because they didn't want to make more money. Obviously there were plenty of other factors involved, so don't act as though GOG is in the wrong, when you don't know what really happened.

You do realise that there are a lot of legal issues involved as well right? Very often, in licensing and other legal negotiations, both sides are meant to keep quiet about it. They are legally not allowed to reveal aspects of the process involved or reasons for acceptance/rejection.
This situation is not necessarily a clear cut case of GOG withholding information from us. Perhaps they cannot due to legal reasons. Perhaps the devs should not have revealed their side of the story either (though, because it's such a minor case, nothing would ever come it).
I'm not trying to go out of my way to defend GOG, but I'm also not trying to demonise them, or immediately place the blame on them either.

While we might all like transparency, sometimes that's not an option with things like this.

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RandomGal: snip
exactly this.
Thank you!
Post edited November 19, 2014 by Kerchatin
Gog works in mysterious ways
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jefequeso: Gog works in mysterious ways
Hey you! Get off the forum and get back to work on the sequel to The Moon Sliver!
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jefequeso: Gog works in mysterious ways
but their popcorn is delicious
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jefequeso: Gog works in mysterious ways
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snowkatt: but their popcorn is delicious
So they pour hot sauce over their popcorn too? Because that's what I do. Nowadays I can barely tolerate popcorn if it doesn't have hot sauce on it. I'm sure you're happy to know that and to that I say..."You're Welcome!"
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snowkatt: but their popcorn is delicious
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NoNewTaleToTell: So they pour hot sauce over their popcorn too? Because that's what I do. Nowadays I can barely tolerate popcorn if it doesn't have hot sauce on it. I'm sure you're happy to know that and to that I say..."You're Welcome!"
usually just unhealthy amounts of salt
i like my food salt

very salt
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NoNewTaleToTell: So they pour hot sauce over their popcorn too? Because that's what I do. Nowadays I can barely tolerate popcorn if it doesn't have hot sauce on it. I'm sure you're happy to know that and to that I say..."You're Welcome!"
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snowkatt: usually just unhealthy amounts of salt
i like my food salt

very salt
Salt does go well with hot sauce, but then again hot sauce goes well with everything (including ice cream). Oh and Clothesline McGee Jr The Third's wrestling career is definitely over now after a major miscommunication.
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snowkatt: usually just unhealthy amounts of salt
i like my food salt

very salt
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NoNewTaleToTell: Salt does go well with hot sauce, but then again hot sauce goes well with everything (including ice cream). Oh and Clothesline McGee Jr The Third's wrestling career is definitely over now after a major miscommunication.
he could become a bountyhunter with his experience gleaned from wrasseling and in the slammer

wilberforce mcgee the third for all your jailbond skipping scum needs we wil clothes line em !
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jefequeso: Gog works in mysterious ways
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NoNewTaleToTell: Hey you! Get off the forum and get back to work on the sequel to The Moon Sliver!
*sadly* ...ok... :(

(actually working on getting the mac version up on Steam right now)

EDIT: Ok, screw that. Getting the mac version onto Steam actually requires me to have a mac to process it on.
Post edited November 19, 2014 by jefequeso
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Kerchatin: First of all, thank you Leroux.
Next, Magmarock, please, don't act like there is no way you're "going to be able to hide that".
I don't mean to stray from the main discussion, but I do find your attitude rather annoying and somewhat offensive.

How does one create a thread like this while keeping it bias free? EASY. Don't mention the games you dislike. Full stop.
Does it really aid your cause enough for you to warrant slighting Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend?
You could have just said something like: "Why aren't games like Wrack and Retrovirus on GOG when there are plenty of bad games on here." or something like that?
See? Easy. All you've accomplished here, is the same as if you had've merely discussed the absence of those two games, except now you've also pissed off and lost respect and/or credibility in the eyes of many.
Was it really worth it?
It's okay, we all make mistakes, apologise and don't do it again, but please don't give us some lame excuse as to why you can't keep your biases out.

GOG picks games for various reasons, be it they think it will sell, it's highly acclaimed, it's an actual "good old game", or something else entirely. So comparing completely different types of games and saying that if one type can go on then another should is just ignorant.
Walking simulators, visual novels, whether you like them or not is irrelevant. There is a market for them, and people do enjoy them, but they're very different types of games to Wrack or Retrovirus. Comparing a visual novel and a shooter is a pretty unfair comparison and does nothing to help your case. Comparing two different shooters, that's one thing, but comparing different genres entirely is not really the way to go. People play them for different reasons, so asking "why do these get on and not those?" is a pointless question.
Please stray away from the comparisons. Stick to your main point.
It's not an excuse is humanly impossible to hide biases and disingenuous at that. This being the internet it's impossible for arguments not to happen. Had I just said “bad games” people would ask “what bad games” and along comes this situation. I must admit that I underestimated the popularity of Gone Home and Boyfriend, perhaps I should've just left it at daikatana. But in all honesty what have I said other then “here are some gamers I like that got rejected, on a site that sells these other games that I don't like. I'm not even suggesting that these games shouldn't be sold. I simply don't like them. If you find that attitude offensive then I can't help you. Also while I don't have a high opinion of these games I haven't actually attacked anyone personally, but in this thread, I feel like I've been targeted.
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Kerchatin: First of all, when you say "[you] still haven't heard anything", do you mean that you never got your copy of AVP2000? If so, you should contact GOG about it. I got mine a day later.

Yes, those reasons are all speculation, but you immediately siding with the devs/publisher, or immediately assuming that they rejected Braid for no good reason is just as bad!
As others have said, we only ever hear the devs side, so none of us are really in any position to judge or claim who was right and wrong.

As you said, Braid would probably sell well, so I doubt they rejected it because they didn't want to make more money. Obviously there were plenty of other factors involved, so don't act as though GOG is in the wrong, when you don't know what really happened.

You do realise that there are a lot of legal issues involved as well right? Very often, in licensing and other legal negotiations, both sides are meant to keep quiet about it. They are legally not allowed to reveal aspects of the process involved or reasons for acceptance/rejection.
This situation is not necessarily a clear cut case of GOG withholding information from us. Perhaps they cannot due to legal reasons. Perhaps the devs should not have revealed their side of the story either (though, because it's such a minor case, nothing would ever come it).
I'm not trying to go out of my way to defend GOG, but I'm also not trying to demonise them, or immediately place the blame on them either.

While we might all like transparency, sometimes that's not an option with things like this.
I did send them a note, they said be penitent.

After reading your paragraphs, I don't think you quite understand what I've been trying to say. I'm not on anyone’s side here. There is good evidence that games have been rejected and I'd just like a little light on it. If there are legal reasons then surely GOG can be a little open about that too. In the stream they hinted at a possible appeal for Nordic games. I'm simply suggesting and requesting more insight into the rejection precess. Since the loss of Nordic I haven't found any games to really get existed over since and I would like that to change.
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snowkatt: ...riiight welll i can make up my own mind thanks
It's an opinion mate no one is forcing you to agree.
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NoNewTaleToTell: Hey you! Get off the forum and get back to work on the sequel to The Moon Sliver!
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jefequeso: *sadly* ...ok... :(

(actually working on getting the mac version up on Steam right now)

EDIT: Ok, screw that. Getting the mac version onto Steam actually requires me to have a mac to process it on.
Yeeouch, alrighty then. I guess I can understand their thought process even if I don't agree with it, do you have a mac for that?
Post edited November 19, 2014 by NoNewTaleToTell
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snowkatt: ...riiight welll i can make up my own mind thanks
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Magmarock: It's an opinion mate no one is forcing you to agree.
you dont say
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Magmarock: It's an opinion mate no one is forcing you to agree.
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snowkatt: you dont say
No, you have to agree with my opinion that hot sauce is amazing. Everybody must agree, EVERYBODY!