Posted November 19, 2014

snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands

NoNewTaleToTell
Deathrocker
Registered: May 2009
From United States
Posted November 19, 2014
I don't know, I was kinda aiming to say that all hot sauce was amazing and you're kinda disagreeing with that. I thought this was the Agree To Agree thread?

snowkatt
Easily Bored
Registered: Oct 2010
From Netherlands
Posted November 19, 2014

i thought it was the agree to what i say is good thread
must have gotten my threads mixed up
now what about worchestershire sauce ?
or wow wow sauce ...very explosive
wonder who will get that one

antagonist
Registered: Sep 2012
From Canada
Posted November 19, 2014
I've been playing Wrack for two years, but I'd love to have Retrovirus.

EckoShy
New User
Registered: Aug 2012
From United States
Posted November 19, 2014

That post was a reply to when you said this:
You might not know this, but common sense is not an opinion. Common sense is factual. So by saying that "it's just common sense" that Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend aren't games or are bad you are attempting to assert your opinion as a fact.
You might want to be more careful with how you pick your words mate.
And don't blame others for the thread going off topic if people aren't talking about the issue of the rejected games. You're the one who first brought up Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend. You're the one who needlessly crapped all over them multiple times. And you're the one who started this thread and lead the discussion when you made the opening post, so anything within that post is fair game and perfectly within the topic.

Daliz
DÖNER KEBAB
Registered: Nov 2008
From Finland
Posted November 19, 2014
To answer the question: Hatoful Boyfriend.
I also played Gone Home, and enjoyed it.
You shouldn't think of GOG, or any other store, as a one-stop-shop for all games. Just go to other store if GOG doesn't sell what you want to buy, it's their loss really. There's loads of stuff for sale that aren't even on Steam, which is after all the largest store as we all know.
I also played Gone Home, and enjoyed it.
You shouldn't think of GOG, or any other store, as a one-stop-shop for all games. Just go to other store if GOG doesn't sell what you want to buy, it's their loss really. There's loads of stuff for sale that aren't even on Steam, which is after all the largest store as we all know.
Post edited November 19, 2014 by Daliz

Magmarock
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Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted November 19, 2014

I also played Gone Home, and enjoyed it.
You shouldn't think of GOG, or any other store, as a one-stop-shop for all games. Just go to other store if GOG doesn't sell what you want to buy, it's their loss really. There's loads of stuff for sale that aren't even on Steam, which is after all the largest store as we all know.
Retrovirus is great, you can get it DRM from Desura and humble
Post edited November 19, 2014 by Magmarock

Kerchatin
is depressed
Registered: Jul 2014
From Australia
Posted November 19, 2014
Upon request, I have snipped some of my quotes, and cleaned this up a little.
That is not true. It is perfectly possible (and easy) to hide biases, when a bias is not called for, nor adds anything to the discussion. If this were a thread specifically about Gone Home or Hatoful boyfriend, then fine, include your subjective views and personal biases. But as you yourself have stated, that is not the point of this thread. It's a thread discussing GOG's policies on acceptance/rejection of games and being transparent about it.
And it's only ingenuine if you're withholding useful information in order to help your case, or are lying. Not including something that serves no purpose overall, and is potentially offensive is fine. If someone had a bad haircut, is there much point in telling them, if it doesn't really achieve anything and will only upset them?
Let's look at your original thread, shall we? Tell me, why did you need to add the part about Gone Home or Hatoful Boyfriend? How did it help you in anyway. You had a perfectly good post up until that. Even this part: "Please bare in mind this is only my subjective opinion, but I'm deeply troubled by a lot of the events that have happened over the past few mouths. After losing Nordic and Frictional Games I was hopping that Wrack and Retrovirus would breath some new life into GOG's library and fill some of the void lost by so many good FPS such as Painkiller and Red Faction."
Those are fine statements and I'd be inclined to actually agree with you.
But then you have to throw in:
" Instead we get games like, Hatoful Boyfriend, Gone Home and Daikatana. At least Daikatana is a game though.
I don't want to play Gone Home or some visual novel about pidgin shagging. I want to play good game, old fashion games."
Again, was this really called for?
On the offset, you make negative implications about the games, but okay... it was one post. Fine...
The bigger problem is that when anyone stated an interest or liking of the games, you basically attacked them and told them why a game they liked isn't good:
"Wow I must be like a million years old because in my day, games were about fun."
"I've played Gone Home. New and different doesn't good though"
"Except ones that are fun that is."
"It's not a decision it's just common sense."
"Why is a visual novel about fucking birds so damn popular. Look even if it was the next Lord of the Rings. IT'S NOT A GAME PEOPLE!"
I'm sure you didn't intend it, but basically every step of the way you've been insulting those who do like these games.
I don't mind if you dislike the games, but I do have a problem when you seem to be actively attacking those who do like them!
People came here to post their opinions on your original question, not to be told that their games "aren't fun", that "it's common sense" that they're bad, and even that the titles "aren't even games".
So no. It's not my problem. The fact that others have expressed their dissatisfaction with your posts (albeit less vitriolic than me) should be proof enough.
And yes, you have been targeted. While I do apologise for being so aggressive, you have to realise that when you insult someone, or something they like, they'll likely fight back. In your case, you've managed to annoy multiple people with your derogatory statements, so it's no surprise that you've been targetted, really.
I understand perfectly what you’ve been trying to say, but the way you present yourself and your points is poor. Again, you may well not have intended it, but you’ve taken an aggressive stance against GOG, coming across as though you’re blaming them for everything. The devs/pubs however - you seem to simply take their word and not place any blame on them, when more often than not, situations like these are always double-sided.
Let’s look at some of the things you posted in regards to this:
"WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AT GOG"
"I'm suspicious that they are picking and choosing based on what someone on the inside personally likes.
This isn't good. No I have to question if a game on the wish list can't be obtained, or if someone just doesn't like it."
"GOG rejected Braid!? WTF! I'm not even into Braid but there's no way that game would not bring in lots of dosh. Do you hate money GOG. It's like they have the means to actually compete with Steam but are choosing not to."
"They also denied Braid. I don't even like Braid, but I think that's insane, as if that game wouldn't sell like pancakes on a site such as this. "
People have given you plenty of reasoning behind GOGs decisions. We've even suggested that the primary reason GOG cannot be transparent or offer more info is due to legal isses... and yet you continue to call it 'mere speculation', discount it offhand, or ignore it completely.
I guess they could simply respond with 'we can't reveal any info about why we rejected a game due to legal issues', but would that really satisfy you? Especially considering that you pretty much already know that.
That is not true. It is perfectly possible (and easy) to hide biases, when a bias is not called for, nor adds anything to the discussion. If this were a thread specifically about Gone Home or Hatoful boyfriend, then fine, include your subjective views and personal biases. But as you yourself have stated, that is not the point of this thread. It's a thread discussing GOG's policies on acceptance/rejection of games and being transparent about it.
And it's only ingenuine if you're withholding useful information in order to help your case, or are lying. Not including something that serves no purpose overall, and is potentially offensive is fine. If someone had a bad haircut, is there much point in telling them, if it doesn't really achieve anything and will only upset them?
Let's look at your original thread, shall we? Tell me, why did you need to add the part about Gone Home or Hatoful Boyfriend? How did it help you in anyway. You had a perfectly good post up until that. Even this part: "Please bare in mind this is only my subjective opinion, but I'm deeply troubled by a lot of the events that have happened over the past few mouths. After losing Nordic and Frictional Games I was hopping that Wrack and Retrovirus would breath some new life into GOG's library and fill some of the void lost by so many good FPS such as Painkiller and Red Faction."
Those are fine statements and I'd be inclined to actually agree with you.
But then you have to throw in:
" Instead we get games like, Hatoful Boyfriend, Gone Home and Daikatana. At least Daikatana is a game though.
I don't want to play Gone Home or some visual novel about pidgin shagging. I want to play good game, old fashion games."
Again, was this really called for?
On the offset, you make negative implications about the games, but okay... it was one post. Fine...
The bigger problem is that when anyone stated an interest or liking of the games, you basically attacked them and told them why a game they liked isn't good:
"Wow I must be like a million years old because in my day, games were about fun."
"I've played Gone Home. New and different doesn't good though"
"Except ones that are fun that is."
"It's not a decision it's just common sense."
"Why is a visual novel about fucking birds so damn popular. Look even if it was the next Lord of the Rings. IT'S NOT A GAME PEOPLE!"
I'm sure you didn't intend it, but basically every step of the way you've been insulting those who do like these games.
I don't mind if you dislike the games, but I do have a problem when you seem to be actively attacking those who do like them!
People came here to post their opinions on your original question, not to be told that their games "aren't fun", that "it's common sense" that they're bad, and even that the titles "aren't even games".
So no. It's not my problem. The fact that others have expressed their dissatisfaction with your posts (albeit less vitriolic than me) should be proof enough.
And yes, you have been targeted. While I do apologise for being so aggressive, you have to realise that when you insult someone, or something they like, they'll likely fight back. In your case, you've managed to annoy multiple people with your derogatory statements, so it's no surprise that you've been targetted, really.
I understand perfectly what you’ve been trying to say, but the way you present yourself and your points is poor. Again, you may well not have intended it, but you’ve taken an aggressive stance against GOG, coming across as though you’re blaming them for everything. The devs/pubs however - you seem to simply take their word and not place any blame on them, when more often than not, situations like these are always double-sided.
Let’s look at some of the things you posted in regards to this:
"WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AT GOG"
"I'm suspicious that they are picking and choosing based on what someone on the inside personally likes.
This isn't good. No I have to question if a game on the wish list can't be obtained, or if someone just doesn't like it."
"GOG rejected Braid!? WTF! I'm not even into Braid but there's no way that game would not bring in lots of dosh. Do you hate money GOG. It's like they have the means to actually compete with Steam but are choosing not to."
"They also denied Braid. I don't even like Braid, but I think that's insane, as if that game wouldn't sell like pancakes on a site such as this. "
People have given you plenty of reasoning behind GOGs decisions. We've even suggested that the primary reason GOG cannot be transparent or offer more info is due to legal isses... and yet you continue to call it 'mere speculation', discount it offhand, or ignore it completely.
I guess they could simply respond with 'we can't reveal any info about why we rejected a game due to legal issues', but would that really satisfy you? Especially considering that you pretty much already know that.
Post edited November 20, 2014 by Kerchatin

Magmarock
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted November 19, 2014



You might want to be more careful with how you pick your words mate.
And don't blame others for the thread going off topic if people aren't talking about the issue of the rejected games. You're the one who first brought up Gone Home and Hatoful Boyfriend. You're the one who needlessly crapped all over them multiple times. And you're the one who started this thread and lead the discussion when you made the opening post, so anything within that post is fair game and perfectly within the topic.
As for blaming people for going off topic I will. I may have made the thread that is my responsibility, but everyone is responsible for their own posts. I have taken responsibility for every post I have made and yeah there not all perfect but so what.
Lastly on the opinion thing. It seems that every time someone starts a thread it's only a matter of time before someone else comes along and says "that's an opinion and not a fact." Which is just another way of saying "you can't prove that." No I can't prove that Gone Home is not a game, I just don't believe it is one, and common sense doesn't mean fact it just means common knowledge. As in I don't think most people who've played a lot of games would consider Gone Home a video game, and no I can't prove that, but do I have to.

Magmarock
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia

omega64
Something good
Registered: Apr 2012
From Netherlands

Magmarock
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted November 19, 2014
Should be able to just use snips suppose I could read it but I'd have to spend a while cleaning it up and I've done quite a bit of that. Seriously don't just hit reply and start typing, clean it up a little.

omega64
Something good
Registered: Apr 2012
From Netherlands
Posted November 19, 2014

Would be hard to reply if you don't have any context for his replies.


Kerchatin
is depressed
Registered: Jul 2014
From Australia
Posted November 19, 2014
I apologise for the length of my post, but I feel that trimming it would get rid of some valuable points.
As omega64 said, the majority of it consists of quotes from you, which I'm using to try and demonstrate how what you've posted in the past is not always... right...
I guess I am being rather verbose, but I don't really see any way around it at the moment.
If you want to reply to it, just quote the sections you deem worthy of a response. :)
EDIT: I guess I could snip some of the larger quotes that I specifically responded to, but it would lose some context and other than that, the other parts are kind of required... Anyway, I apologise once again for the length!
EDIT 2: Okay, I snipped the main quotes. I hope you realise that I'm doing this for you Magmarock, my fellow aussie. ;)
As omega64 said, the majority of it consists of quotes from you, which I'm using to try and demonstrate how what you've posted in the past is not always... right...
I guess I am being rather verbose, but I don't really see any way around it at the moment.
If you want to reply to it, just quote the sections you deem worthy of a response. :)
EDIT: I guess I could snip some of the larger quotes that I specifically responded to, but it would lose some context and other than that, the other parts are kind of required... Anyway, I apologise once again for the length!
EDIT 2: Okay, I snipped the main quotes. I hope you realise that I'm doing this for you Magmarock, my fellow aussie. ;)
Post edited November 19, 2014 by Kerchatin

Magmarock
New User
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted November 19, 2014

As omega64 said, the majority of it consists of quotes from you, which I'm using to try and demonstrate how what you've posted in the past is not always... right...
I guess I am being rather verbose, but I don't really see any way around it at the moment.
If you want to reply to it, just quote the sections you deem worthy of a response. :)
EDIT: I guess I could snip some of the larger quotes that I specifically responded to, but it would lose some context and other than that, the other parts are kind of required... Anyway, I apologise once again for the length!
EDIT 2: Okay, I snipped the main quotes. I hope you realise that I'm doing this for you Magmarock, my fellow aussie. ;)
Yes I do think they way I presented myself wasn't very good I've never been good at this sort of thing. However do keep in mind that while I'm happy to admit that I've insulted a game I haven't insulted any person directly; although it's common for gamer including myself to think that at times causing an impasse. I've been a very happy GOG customer for the last four years and for the first time, I have found myself being dissatisfied with some of their more recent decisions. Rejecting two games that I would've liked to play was the straw that broke the camel's back and I couldn't resist withholding my frustrations about that.
Since it's my intention from GOG to change some of their polices, getting that point across could've defiantly been better with less drama. I'm rather passionate as you can tell and that means having confronting opinions. I agree I could've worded this better and I do actually appreciate your criticism on my first post. I did find it constructive and the next time I make a post like this I will keep it in mind. I am rather annoyed at this whole year.
2014 has been a miserable time for the games industry, so much drama on the internet, regarding politics, corporation, discrimination, harassment, progressive ideology, JUST STOP! Now more then ever I think we just want to play some video games; in the traditional sense of the word. And remember why we are here in the first place.