OK, back home with a PC access.

Pretty much this. I employed the same thing last mafia game, which was my first mafia game. I'd as what "quicktopic" is, even though I knew perfectly, since the only faction with no quicktopic access were townie, and since I was a newbie this could be seen as a legit question.

And now I can't help regard people asking about rules with suspicion. Escpecially if it's an unambigous ones regarding clarification. But the fact that scum know each other is (informed minority) is pretty much the basis of any mafia game. The "close your eyes" phase is pretty much there in any mafia flavour. And it's described in Secret Hitler rules.

(and this is not saying that anyone who asks about the game is automatically a fascist, and it's not meant to discourage anyone from asking clarification about any rules). Just wanted to point out why I have my eye on scene.

For the record, this is my first Secret Hitler game. But I have played Resistance for years.

And I just realized that I've always played Resistance live; never in forums. Which makes a difference. In-person you have to act fast. On the forum, something which might appear like a "spontaneous" response could actually be a well-prepared one over which the author thought for hours.

And finally I just want to reiterate the above: you lie; you're almost certainly fascist. I can't stress this enough. To all the newbies in this game, this is not a game where liberals should try and "trick" their opponents. They know each other, they know you, you don't trick them; you only make the game worse for your team.

Again, not greatly familiar with how regulars play the game, but I think we learn about players as we go along regardless of the outcome. Either through their actions (votes and policy decisions) or commentary. That being the case, I'd be much happier learning about players as they pass liberal policies. Because by the time we exposed all 3 non-Hitler fascists (while likely suspecting 3 liberal partners in the process), we'd be at the point where if Hitler (who is acting as a liberal) were elected, we'd lose. And this is neglecting the possibility we get a fascist policy by a bad draw of the cards.

Well, the flip-side of that is that he will be dangerous if he's actually fascist, so just like I said before, don't rush giving free passes. That being said I voted yes based on what I said before.

Whom are we waiting on?

Mods/Zeo, just to confirm Hitler doesn't know who the fascists or liberals are? Also to confirm that there are 6 Liberals, 3 Fascists and 1 Hitler. Also would it be worth PM'ing those who haven't yet voted in case they don't know an election is happening. Also Zeo given I'm being accused of an elaborate ploy to fool people that I'm a Liberal, is it possible to confirm or deny that I asked many newbie questions about the rules in chat which someone who hadn't read them properly would ask and none of those included the knowledge fascist players would have? Ofcourse maybe I thought of this all in advanced and used Zeo as a witness to my 2 faced bafoonery as part of my grand master plan

ZFR not wanting the Chancellorship now is suspect imo. What motivations is there for ZFR not wanting the Chancellorship? He claims he's woried the President Kusumahendra maybe Fascist, which we Liberals simply don't know but there's been no indication that our President is fascist. If you are in fact a Liberal would you not welcome a chance at passing Liberal legislation? claims to be concerned that he's been set up but even if he is, it's still ZFRs word against the President, if he claims to get 2 fascist cards. So it wouldn't be conclusive.

ZFR could well be Hitler and doesn't want to be elected yet because he knows he can't pass anything other than Liberal policies or he'd risk not been elected Chancellor later on, which hurts the Fascists chances.

ZFR could be a fascist and claims he doesn't want to be Chancellor as a get out for if he is a fascist planning to pass fascist legislation. Setting up The President in advance

Still ZFR could be a liberal that is concerned that Fascists would target him as an out spoken liberal, it's possible.

So I voted YES because ZFR maybe liberal but if he's Hitler he will also have to vote for Liberal policies. If he's a Fascist
then he probably votes Fascist while risking being frozen out in future.

In terms of Fascist tactics that we need to look out for:

1. Insinuate Liberals are fascists, they have complete knowledge of who is Liberal remember
2. Vouch for fellow fascists and Hitler because they know who they are.
3. Set up Liberals with 2 fascist cards and then claim they gave them 1 of each
4. When they pass a fascist policy and get an unveil, they claim Hitler is a liberal, that liberals are fascists and that fascists are liberals in that order. Therefore if there's a claim that a member is liberal, it's unwise for Liberals to vote him into chancellorship after 4 fascist policies are passed.
5. Encourage Liberals to make unwise decisions

For reason 5 Blotunga seems a little suspect that he could be playing a fascist game or merely playing poorly imo. Advicing Liberals to 'find out as much as possible' is poor advice because Liberals can't find out very much. Because if a Fascist policy is passed 3 fascist cards could be drawn. Or it could be the President who discarded 1 Liberal card, or it could be the Chancellor that discarded . These are all to my estimation equally likely. Even if a Liberal finds out who a Liberal or Fascist is, he might be lying as far as the rest are concerned. Let's say a President claims they've found Hitler and Liberals enact Fascist policy to kill Hitler, it could be The President is Fascist and is convincing Liberals to vote for Fascist policy and to kill a fellow Liberal.

For reason 1 Mr Scene, ie me, could be perceived as a fascist because from the reader's judgement I have suspected 2 players. I'm fully aware of this as should Liberal players.

What's Hitler's best strategy? Either gain trust or be completely quiet. So if anyone who's not being talking gets nominated after 3 Fascist policies are past I suggest ALL Liberals vote against such a government. But then what if we have a Liberal who doesn't have enough time to play? That would be a big problem for Liberal chances

And yet you voted yes.

Noted.

In the words of the immortal bard:

"Heh."

Hitler has no clue who anybody is. The fascists know who the other fascists and Hitler is. The liberals have no clue who anybody is.
There are indeed 6 liberals, 3 fascists, and Hitler. Hitler is technically a fascist (he has a fascist alignment card, which is important to remember when an investigation occurs), he just has no clue who the other 3 fascists are.
I can indeed confirm or deny that you've done so. I'm just not going to.
Winning.

Well, I was completely open about my thoughts of me being chancellor. And I was, genuinly, not sure how to vote.

I mentioned the pros and cons of a no vote, but I just now realized there was another pro that I hadn't thought of before. By telling about my NO vote I managed to get plenty of info about each player's reaction to it.

My vote NO stands, and I'm now more sure that it was the right choice.

Y'know, now that I start to think about it, I may start putting up a list of who's voted so far. In real-life Secret Hitler, you can indeed see who's voted because their ballot will be on the table (upside-down, so you can't see HOW they voted). I'm not sure if this information is going to be important to you guys and your various [over]analyzing techniques, but I suppose it's only fair since that'd be the same information you have in a "real" game.

Also, as a reminder to everyone, do remember that you can change your vote if you want to, just so long as you do it before the last vote is in.

Everyone has voted so far except Cristigale.

Now I'm really concerned with my nomination. I too get suspicious why a liberal would pass the chance to be Chancellor and pass a liberal policy. It's only a bad idea if the president gives him 2 fascist card this he has to pass a fascist policy. And still even then the suspicion will be divided among two. Not to say this is only turn two which means we basically know next to nothing about each player.

I try to imagine any scenario and the only thing that makes someone doesn't want to be elected now is because he wants to be elected later. And aside from Hitler, who else needs that? I don't even think a fascist will avoid being elected now.

Honestly I'm tempted to test ZFR alignment if the votes say yes.

I might be a noob, but I try to approach the game as a puzzle. Since we don't know anything about the other players (except the fascists which do know about eachother and Hitler) the only way I can think of testing the waters is to see others acting. Because of course everyone claims to be liberal.
So I'm not sure what's unwise here. Anyway as I said, I'm mostly still figuring things out on the go, so any advice and different views are welcome.

Hmmm... I thought I voted when i checked the game on Saturday. Must have got distracted, vote submitted.

The votes are in! The results are as follows.

1. The Greek (greeklover) - NO
2. Boss Kusu (kusumahendra) - YES
3. Mr. Scene (supplementscene) - YES
4. Basil the Lifter (lifthrasil) - NO
5. Bishop Bling (ZFR) - NO
6. Captain Dedo (dedoporno) - YES
7. General Warehall (RWarehall) - NO
8. The Count of Monte Cristigale (cristigale) - YES
9. Big Brass (Brasas) - NO
10. Chief Blotunga (blotunga) - YES

The government is not approved!
The council slowly begins to inch towards chaos!

The current president is supplementscene, who must pick a chancellor. The chancellor cannot be anyone from the previous government (greeklover).

Here are some pictures of the developing situation, provided by the eagle eye of The Hunter.
https://i.imgur.com/wluZRT0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Mv6cdiY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IF4NgVt.jpg

Mods: do I understand correctly that only after three failed elections get the previous president and chancellor get eligible for re-election? So a majority no vote on the first and second time only means that the presidentship passes on to the next player, but the old president/chancellor are still term-locked. The third time a policy will be automatically enacted.
And another one: How does the "policy peek" power work, how can a president use it for advantage? I mean he still has to draw the 3 cards. Or can he peek the cards of the next president? The rulebook isn't really helpful about this.