Merely sniping...

Fair. But when he tried to actually quote stuff his posts became small abominations... not sure I'd prefer he go back to that...

It's not easy to ISO anyoen in GOG but I recall he said he'd vote X (nt sure which way now), and then there was a brief interaction where someone argued he should change the vote. I assume he did so despite not replying in the thread.

I think her theory is that was fascist coordination of some kind. But not clear what she thinks is being coordinated. If merely fascist signaling to Hitler and I was in her place I'd probably push more on my no voting meta actually.

Anyway, the "your" thing, which I didn't remember I had bolded was really highlighting to ZFR that I didn't believe the liberal majority is actually his. I rem I was considering bolding the other "your" and "you" in that sentence and ended up leaving that one just because. Could have done without the bolding I think... the repetition of the pronoun I think got the same effect.

@Ashwald
Do see above more on the "your" topic. I'll try and post something more concise and pointed at you soon. Would be great if you vote and we can carry on the game meanwhile.

Well... scum wants to be town read, and analysis helps find hooks. And of course the analysis was selective. I'd like more analysis from her of ZFR and you and dedo for example.

Just the post number would be fine.

Like, you know,"ZFR said RW and adalia are definitely liberal (post#123)".

Might be difficult... I mean you know they aren't liberal and you're too honest to lie to our avatars.

Right? :D :D :D

Not difficult. Impossible. Seeing how it never happened.

I am leaning liberal on adalia, but only because there can only be so many fascists. As for RW... was it a kick in the nuts when your scumbuddy ragequit, or did it actually make you happy that it made you look all that much better?

You are learning :)

Sorry, I'm not around - I've been overwhelmed with work for the past couple of days which will extend until Sunday. I'll try to drop by at least once a day but at the moment I can't even catch up properly seeing that ashwald made an effort to not just jump in and ride along but to take actual part.

At least it looks like I'm not currently stalling the vote as there isn't one. Hopefully by my next appearance that will have progressed as well.

I voted.

If you read parts 2, 3 and 5 of my ramblings you'll note that ZFR is mentioned as a possible Hitler/fascist candidate.

Who some of the fascists are.

For starters, it's 4-2. Relaxing at 3-0 is one thing, but now?

Liberals: 1 policy away from winning
Fascists: 1 policy and 1 successful chancellor nomination away

Not exactly a substantial lead, especially considering the remaining cards. And of the 6 players that have participated in governments so far, 4 gave us fascist policies, either by design or bad luck.

My point was that it could be a deliberate hint for Hitler.

So... you do assume after all and in favor of someone that passed fascist policy too. Interesting.

There was no vouching. And I already pointed you at posts that prove it:

How much more anti-vouching can you get that requesting an investigation?

Why exactly is ZFR disallowed from having reasons to distrust kusu at that point in the game while everyone else gets to suspect whoever they want? This tells me you've been deliberately targeting him from the get go and are just grasping for excuses. Pretty fascist looking imo. Question is, are you merely targeting ZFR or are you doing it because kusu was involved and you panicked?

...You don't say. "As no one has firm opinions on my presidency so let's get the ball rolling," Weren't you avoiding discussion when you hurried to nominate a chancellor without waiting for the new player to get her bearings?

What I am doing is pointing out falsehoods. "He rejected that chancellorship and now I think he's most likely fascist" by itself would be reasonable. I don't see it as particularly significant *all by itself*, since plenty of others did the same including you. Still. Could be reasonable. Unfortunately for you, you went and said that thing above... Meanwhile "These three are constantly vouching for each other!" is a lie.
And as I told Brasas earlier, in parts 2, 3 and 5 of my mega-post ZFR is mentioned as a possible Hitler/fascist candidate.

And here you are, blatantly lying. Again.

These are my exact words. And you are looking all the more fascist by the second.

"Isolating phrases"? You're saying you'd rather I had quoted all those posts in their entirety? And interpreting is what liberals do, since we lack info and no one is out there stage-whispering hints at us.

So you accuse me of twisting stuff and putting words in people's mouths (I will assume here that you mean I lie since you later use "interpreting" as a separate accusation) but you don't actually quote a single instance to back it up. You don't have anything to back it up. You're simply mudslinging. You don't say I misunderstood you, you don't have anything to say to defend yourself you try to be dismissive instead.

How is lift the most confirmed liberal exactly? You did his investigation after the two of you passed fascist policy and you're possible-Hitler/fascist for matters in addition to that policy. He's been making far far less negative noise though. Whether that is good Hitlerism or good liberalism, I still can't decide.

Could you please elaborate on this when you make that post?

LIft and dedo: their thread participation is more or less neutral, and they aren't involved in player conflicts far as I recall. Yet both passed fascist policy. Then there's greeklover's comment when the investigation result came out: "Lift is a llllllllliberal, yeah! It seems that all fascists voted yes for the lift-me government in order to not betray themselves." This makes part of my brain go "OMG ACTUAL HITLER!!!!!1!!". Nothing concrete though.

ZFR randomly (to observer-me anyway) said no to chancellorship because kusu might have been planning to set him up. If he's a liberal then I don't get it but whatever. Gut feelings happen, regardless of accuracy. If a fascist, perhaps he had different plans brewing or perhaps he wanted to make kusu look suspicious. If he's Hitler, again I don't get it. It was a perfect chance to get cred and that's the simplest strategy to go for: get cred early, be re-elected after 3 fascist policies. Still, it's not like I haven't entertained theories of a bold Hitler before.
And speaking of bold Hitler/fascist candidates, it seems I missed an assassination reference from greek:

Since it's the very first it could be a joke at this point. Or allegience signaling number one. If it was the only mention, I'd definitely have dismissed it as a joke.

Now, someone might read all the above and complain:

"But ashwald! You said the 2nd election incident isn't particularly significant! What the fudge?"

It isn't BY ITSELF. Others have also done it after all. Scene himself did it, supposedly for the same reason ZFR claimed: fearing that the president would try to frame him/others.

But I've been entertaining two (far-fetched) theories:

1) ZFR is Hitler and the conflict with scene & greek is some kind of elaborate ploy to make him look credible for endgame when other players realize the accusations are based on lies.
2) ZFR and at least one of his accusers are fascists and the conflict is meant to take attention away from Hitler (most probably Lift).

Like I said, far-fetched. Would the fascists even be able to pull something like (1) off with no chat coordination? Would it be worth attempting since it depends on liberals taking a chance on ZFR?

Something that just occurred to me. When the first fascist policy passed dedo said:

A very literal interpretation of this would be that a) he actually drew 2F 1L and discarded the L and/or b) he didn't want scene getting the blame for whatever reason.

The votes are in! The results are as follows.

1. The Greek (greeklover) - NO
2. Boss Kusu (kusumahendra) - NO
3. Mr. Scene (supplementscene) - YES
4. Basil the Lifter (Lifthrasil) - NO
5. Bishop Bling (ZFR) - NO
6. Captain Dedo (dedoporno) - NO
7. Countess Ashvult von Frikkifir (ashwald) - NO
8. Adalia the Bookkeeper (adaliabooks) - NO
9. Big Brass (Brasas) - NO
10. Chief Blotunga (blotunga) - NO

The government is not approved!
The council is rapidly approaching its breaking point!

The current president is Lifthrasil, who must pick a chancellor. The chancellor cannot be greeklover.

So Lift, how much discussion do we need to convince you the play is to go with me as chancellor?

Most of the arguments have been put forth, the only two more I can think of adding now are:
1 - it's not time for testing anyone, it's time to lock the win. The 2nd investigation was when opening the field still made sense, just like the 1st investigation did by bringing me into the liberal block. For the second one instead we went with deepening the current liberal block by confirming one of its already most trusted members. It makes no sense to now double back instead of doubling down until we get an actual dispute.
2 - odds are good we just win this now. But if not, the two scenarios are a dispute between us - which breaks the current liberal block (and investigated pool) in two (a difficult position but still very important information for everyone else), or a reevaluation of Greek possibly having buried an L. If you go with Scene, I think chances of winning are same (I think he is Liberal like us) but in the worst case the break line for the current block is not as clean - so the waters will be muddier.

I considered you the safety net for chancellor in case Lift drew FFF which is quite possible. If we pick you as chancellor now, what's the backup plan for the next chancellor?

I'd rather split it actually. That whole post was me going: You are scum! IF you were Lib what you're doing would be even stupider. (sorry ZFR, I don't mean it as insult, but as mistake / slip you did)

Townies sacrifice in many ways. That's the game. What you should do if you're Liberal is cool off and come back with a reads list from your very unique perspective. You still have the towny weapon - your vote, and can still help your liberal majority win the game. But I can understand your not doing it - because you're scum ;P.

So, in order. Libs don't flip the table like that. They contribute so their team gains knowledge. They vote according to what is best for town, even if they are distrusted. They win as a team, no matter their rep.

So I am giving him the Liberal script which should be obvious to him if he really was liberal. And it's a win win (despite risk of being accused of trying to help scum buddy dig himself out of a hole). It's win win because I sprinkle throughout accusations. The rhetorical Bravo, the :P... and I make it very direct and personal repeating the pronouns (I underlined them all above but as mentioned leaving them all unbolded, or bolding that one that I left... all ok approaches, hardly any difference in effect IMO - so him being scum he will feel needled and conflicted at following my script. Whereas if he really was Liberal he would not have been pissed off at me, but rather understanding of my pushing, and willing to come back and offer reads / perspectives for the team, including his read of me from the receiving end. I mean, giving him a Mystic shower is not that terrible certainly? He was the one that overreacted so to speak... hence the conclusion point, that it was dissonant of him to continue to be so pissed at me for my pushing. And to be fair, he smelled that trap and refrained from going full OMGUS.

Fundamentally, I don't see how that bolding is in any way a sign that I am fascist, be it to Hitler, or to anyone else.

And overall current game state is closer to Lib victory than F. So yes, I'm still fairly relaxed. Especially if Lift holds steady. We had a great 1st run with 4 Lib policies. After reshuffle there were only 2 L in the deck so odds were what they were, I'm far from alarmed because I'm not one Lib government away from losing. I'm 1 Lib gov away from winning. And btw I read the Fascist team as resigned, so I don't actually expect alarm from anyone.

You might remember I was suggesting investigating Kusu... but since going "hej, don't blame me for lack of safety net" is unproductive here's my actualy thoughts, freshly developed.

1 - what are the odds?
2 - if we get FFF, I think maybe we should have the equivalent of a massclaim in order of most distrusted to least. So something like ZFR suggesting what government we should have, then moving up with everyone volunteering their idea. Obviously we do this before Lift nominates the special Gov president.