I'm against the Adalia government and think we still should go the Brasas route as originally intended. I'm voting no.

Stakes are higher now fascists can't really afford to be 4-1 down right now versus being 3-2, they have to enact fascist policy at any chance. So if Brasas is fascist he can't afford not to remove liberal policy and if he is fascist Dedo is certainly fascist. So if he does pass Liberal policy he is almost certainly Liberal and Dedo is probably Liberal.

If he passes 2 Liberal cards to Greek and Greek confirms this it would confirm Dedo's story and completely confirms both Dedo and Brasas as the most confirmed Liberal players in the game alongside Greek.

Those numbers are my personal thoughts on the likely guilt. Your triangle of best friends are too obviously in agreement on everything for you not to have Scum level knowledge.

Wait a minute you ZFR and said Dedo was scum earlier in the game. Hitler is supposed to be ultra Liberal.

Even if one of Brasas/Dedo is Hitler how can Hitler or the Fascists afford to vote for a 4-1 result with Greek-Lift government next? Because that would mean only 1 draw to give

However I think your Scum due to your constant presence in the Triangle of Best Friends that agree on all things.

The last paragraph is essentially covering for your plan to pass 3 F. Better get the excuse in early.

At the moment it may seem like that. Except early in the game yourself and Scene did put trust in RWarehall and spoke of him as likely Liberal. Early on I said I'd never vote for dedo after he had suspicions about me, this could ofcourse be distancing if I was fascist. My early play was very newbie, essentially assuming guilt of everyone who was suspicious of myself. Which alongside his election withdrawal was my initial reasoning for going after ZFR. And when ZFR wouldn't talk about investigations for 2-3 pages he became more and more suspicious. Then RWarehall and Adalia came out the closet defending him constantly. Why aren't they at least slightly suspicious. By page

Where as ZFR+RWarehall+Adalia have constantly agreed on everything. RWarehall talked about trusting Adalia several pages back after Adalia only had a couple of posts. They all constantly defend each other. They've accused Scene, Brasas, Dedo (and early before Dedo passed the F cards) but never do they talk about the possibility of either of their buddies being fascist, they never investigate it as a possibility. They talk about the possibility of Greek/Lift being Hitler but they are all sure that the triangle of best friends can't be guilty. Most of the past 6 pages is them defending each other and picking off others. They're trying a bit harder now not to be obvious and have mild doubts over each other but it's lip service after they've been nicknamed 'Triangle of Best Friends'.

Where as Brasas and Dedo have at times questioned my leaning, Brasas has questioned with I'm Hitler or F. Brasas has questioned me on passing 2 Lib policies to RWarehall. Dedo has questioned whether Brasas was Fascist.

Supposed to try, yes. Doesn't mean they succeed.

They could if most of the confirmed liberals are actually fascists. If Brasas passes an L and apparently that makes him and dedo completely confirmed then they will be cycled in as chancellors and presidents, giving them free reign to carefully discard the remaining L cards in the next draw when they come to them. It's risky definitely, but at 3-0 down I don't think it's unbelievable the fascists would go for a risky play.

So your support of Brasas and dedo isn't suspicious but the fact I happen to agree with RWarehall is?

No, I'm just saying if worst comes to worst I think me having the investigation is more useful than Brasas.

For me, if brasas passes L, he will be almost cleared and I will want him in the cycle, but dedo won't be as cleared as brasas, and I will prefer to continue as conservatively as possible.

And I am saying this before a fascist policy passes. My instinct says that Scene is the key to the win (it rhymes too:) so I want Scene investigated.

This is quite a big tell from RWarehall, he's always wanted the following presidents:

This is when Christi pre-dated Adalia and didn't post

And himself, ok

When ZFR turned down chancellorship and didn't want to talk investigations

That's a very very alignment that he's never shifted from.

And he thinks we add one of those as an extra government that is unneeded in getting back to The Greek.

Care to show me where I've supported in anyway Brasas and Dedo? I've said they're very possible fascists with Dedo being a very likely fascist.

My claim was that a Brasas Presidency tells us everything about Brasas and Dedo not that Brasas was necessarily Fascist.

This is nothing like the love in from The Triangle Of Best Friends, false equivilency at it's finest.

Wow. So after 2 weeks, you're finally admitting you don't have any of the other evidence you promised, and this is your reason? Despite the fact I immediately said that I will discuss it when it comes to that? Despite the fact that if such behaviour was incriminating I could just name anyone? [i]And despite that fact that NO SINGLE OTHER PRESIDENT talked about whom to investigate before his government was elected?

Care to show me where I've supported RWarehall or cristi/adalia? One. Single. Post.

Are you ever going to answer me and provide one single piece of evidence for any of your accusations or just continue to pull them out of your ass?

This is so getting ridiculous.

I love how Scene keeps repeating the same b.s.

It should be very obvious that the fascists have a choice to make and that sandbagging to 4-1 is a very viable option especially if Greek is just completely naive and not Hitler.

I was hoping to goad them into passing a 4L, but Greek wants to 100% confirm them on it and then cycle them into every government if they pass 4L. Doesn't that sound like a very good reason right there to pass 4L if you were a fascist?

Greek, you need to THINK!

But here Scene keeps throwing out his ridiculous lies. Claiming that passing a L completely clears everyone which it doesn't. The only result that is nearly absolute is that if Brasas claims 3F we are 96.4% sure that Dedo is a fascist. The reverse does not hold true at all.

And look! More b.s. from Scene! Let's take everything out of context, cherry-pick a few quotes and then completely misconstrue what was actually said...

I never suggested we actually use Cristi, quite to the contrary. I was suggesting that ZFR seemed pretty liberal and if we choose to use him, we could always pass over her by taking just one extra step. That is where the extra step comes in. You know, maybe not being in such a hurry and all and keep doing what we had been doing that got us to 3-0 in the first place. Voting in liberal leaning presidents as we go. You know, as opposed to listening to Scene who pushed Dedo in the presidency just to pass our first fascist failure.

Guys, I'm finally going back home (and I just realized me coming here was in the middle of the previous mafia game; heh).

Leaving for the airport in a couple of hours; probably won't be able to post much after that during the weekend.

Hey, genius, can you stop treating people like you are the best player ever who has everything figured out? You are not inside others' minds and all possibilities are open at this point.
I didn't say I would cycle THEM. If brasas passes FF, I want him to investigate Scene to see if they are on the same team and I will see what I'll do if this happens. In this scenario brasas can't be cycled obviously. If brasas passes me L, he can be cycled with me and Lift as long as less than 3 fascist policies have passed, I don't see any problem with that, do you? Of course, we might lose an L or 2L from the second deck, but the rest are unknown, so what do we do after a possible me-Lift government?

Hey GENIUS! If Brasas passes FF why the hell do you want to listen to anything he has to say? Fascists can't be trusted so the investigation is completely useless. If he pretends to pass him, or pretends to incriminate him, doesn't mean jack.

You are the one claiming that "valid arguments" don't mean much. You are the one supporting Scene throughout this entire mess when your very own "bible" tells you that when a fascist policy is passed you must distrust both the president and chancellor. And frankly, I didn't read anywhere in your bible where it read that any government that passes the 4th liberal policy can be absolutely trusted. It's been explained multiple times and very well how and why fascists very well might pass it in this situation and you seem to complete dismiss that.

And on top of it all, you seem to remain completely oblivious to the facts. Things like "Why did your government pass without any opposition at all?" but for ZFR's a whole bunch of people came out of the woodwork. Basically, it sure looks like one of the two of you and Lift are likely to be Hitler.

So quite frankly, YOUR plan to put only those players that a lot of people think are fascists so YOU can confirm them seems like it might be a good way for Hitler to pass fascist policies at crunch time. Why should we trust you? I doubt you are an ordinary fascist, but that doesn't exclude you at all from being Hitler. And your plan seems to rely on you be "completely trusted". Can't you see the flaws with it if you have been analyzing this so deeply?

Right now, I've got to figure out if you are just completely naive and Lift is laughing his ass off watching you give him the game as you have taken all the heat off him, or whether you got caught being way too obvious about it.

How do you plan to "see" that? If Brasas passes FF, how is anything he says about scene not a WIFOM (a bluff, double bluff, triple bluff....)?

Well, if Zfr hadn't refused his nomination, we wouldn't have these problems now:p

I don't see any alternatives to trusting me and Lift as first choices at the moment and we will need one person to be chancellor after my presidency. How will we maximize the chance that we put a liberal in that position? I am willing to go with the majority but there are other liberals out there who haven't said whether they trust Zfr or RW enough to nominate them.

Cherry picking or the smoking gun of a fascist? You said you had no problem with taking an extra turn to get to Greek as long as they were your prefered option of all 3 of RWarehall, Cristi and ZFR. Your fascist nature makes it nature for you to twist the truth but the quote is there for everyone to see:



An extra government of your Triangle of Friends, the ones you constantly vouch for, even when you shouldn't know anything about them Mr Scum. Yes I will keep repeating the erros you make to expose you to all, because what is done in darkness comes to light.

Another lie from the facist, I said most confirmed, which he would be. No one is proven to be Liberal in this game, not even Greek or Lift, who is somewhat overly revered considered he's been in what 1 government or is it 2? For some reason he's more confirmed than Scene, who's passed 2 Ls and 1 F.

All this talk of they would happily let it goto 4-1 when we have 2 likely Liberals in the next government. What are the odds of an FFF draw in the next government?