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I did a ninja!
The votes are in! The results are as follows.

1. The Greek (greeklover) - YES
2. Boss Kusu (kusumahendra) - YES
3. Mr. Scene (supplementscene) - YES
4. Basil the Lifter (lifthrasil) - YES
5. Bishop Bling (ZFR) - YES
6. Captain Dedo (dedoporno) - YES
7. General Warehall (RWarehall) - YES
8. The Count of Monte Cristigale (cristigale) - YES
9. Big Brass (Brasas) - NO
10. Chief Blotunga (blotunga) - YES

The government is approved!

https://i.imgur.com/p1nlc7s.jpg

The president and chancellor (lifthrasil and greeklover) are now bound to silence until a policy is passed.
Just when I got the time and energy to do extensive writing.

And here we are waiting for policy to come. Oh well
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kusumahendra: Just when I got the time and energy to do extensive writing.

And here we are waiting for policy to come. Oh well
You can still write.

If you don't want to, I will:

I got Neverwinter Nightes EE to trade.
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kusumahendra: Just when I got the time and energy to do extensive writing.

And here we are waiting for policy to come. Oh well
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ZFR: You can still write.

If you don't want to, I will:

I got Neverwinter Nightes EE to trade.
Nah, you guys already said all the things I have in mind about current situation.

And I already finish those 3 main campaigns of Nwn (Hordes of the underdark was so cool) back then and have no desire to replay it in any foreseeable future
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blotunga: You really like the word quixotical... :)
Sancho would be proud.
Comes with the latinosity.

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Lifthrasil: What windmills do you want to fight, with your 'Ni !' ?
Let's not mix Cervantes with Monty Python please. :)

Well, it being a different ruleset to the Resistance I'm not 100% sure how much of my typical Resistance meta leverages across - I said earlier I decided to go with my familiar grooves and see how to adjust as needed, versus trying to calculate / front load new heuristics.

But overall it's about playing the odds - town is majority afterall - and trying to make it easier to contrast when scum are taking risks with their votes because they want to fight the odds and affect the results. I do see the opposite viewpoint of playing the odds, and therefore just trusting until evidence to the contrary, but I think we learn much less that way. It's kind of like lurking IMO, I don't think people are really playing unless they're trying to gauge actions and reactions. And the voting is more powerful than mind games / verbal questions.
The Puzzlemaster begins to nap at the table when suddenly, Bookwyrm nudges him awake as Basil and The Greek rise from their seats.
"Gentlemen, we have reached an agreement," says The Greek. "As you know, Basil has a distinguished past as a hunter. As such, he's accumulated a grand collection of exquisite pelts. The Kusu gang, as experts in fenci-...er...auctioning...such goods, he has agreed to let us help him sell off his collection, the proceeds of which will go towards the further researching of this alien artifact and ways its energy can be harvested to help humanity."
"I dun geddit," whines the Puzzlemaster, drowsy and somewhat cranky after being awakened from his peaceful slumbering. Bookwyrm sighs and explains.

"The government has passed a liberal policy."

"Mmph. Cool. Jawohl or whatever. Rad. Get to the nexzt govenrtmnzZzZzZzZ..."

A liberal policy has been passed.
The current president is ZFR, who must pick a chancellor. The chancellor cannot be anyone from the previous government (lifthrasil, greeklover).

Pictures provided by The Doc, who also hands out free bagels on occasion.
https://i.imgur.com/pzlG7Jy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2cD1ooc.jpg
Post edited April 13, 2018 by zeogold
I don't want bagels, I want strudels made by the magnificent PuzzleMaster and StrudelMaster himself.

Btw, dear liberals, after Basil awares us of the draw, we should discuss who we will elect presidents in the next governments. My first thought is one president from the 5-7 positions and one president from the 8-10 positions so that the presidency comes back to me:) as fast as possible.
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greeklover: My first thought is one president from the 5-7 positions and one president from the 8-10 positions so that the presidency comes back to me:) as fast as possible.
You mean RW as president and then blotunga as president right... there's not really another way for only 2 govs before getting back to you, because of the 3rd gov fail meaning random top deck draw for a policy pass.

I'm not really against that approach, because we are in a comfortable position anyway. We could win the game before getting it back to you even. But for sure there are at least 2 fascists in the governments you are planning. And another but is that I would like to understand a bit better the reshuffle. I understand the discarded cards come back, but haven't dug into the exact timing.

Anyway, let's see what cards are claimed as drawn and others' thoughts.

PS: On rethink... scratch the above as you don't have to be the first government proposal in the 6th policy draw which changes the calculations, it means more possibilities so agreement will be more difficult, but also more interesting. Yeah, definitively a good topic to discuss together.

Leaving it up because I guess others might make same mistake as me thinking about it.
Great. That went well. I drew 2F and 1L and passed 1F and 1L along. So greeklover did have a choice which policy to enact and I feel quite confident that he is Liberal now. So skipping a few governments to ensure that mostly governments with trusted liberal participants get into office is not a bad play now. We only need two more liberal policies to win, after all.

But one of the next governments will probably have to enact a fascist policy before we get to re-shuffle the deck. So we have to take that into account too.
If I understand correctly, the next policy will surely be a fascist one because cards left are all fascist cards right?

What information can we gather on next round?

I also want to know the last cards drawn by our government
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kusumahendra: If I understand correctly, the next policy will surely be a fascist one because cards left are all fascist cards right?

What information can we gather on next round?

I also want to know the last cards drawn by our government
...Then you should read my post. ;-)

And no, if the cards drawn have been reported correctly so far, we should now have 2L and 6F left. Still a good chance for the next government to draw L. More than 60% in fact. It's only after that, that 3F become more likely.
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Lifthrasil: snip
So the reshuffle happens after the 5th draw, and there are 2 cards left on the draw deck which we won't be able to check right?

And there won't be some clear way to evaluate if any of the government pairs (or the prez) might have both lied about the draw. I mean, if someone draws 3L they will know, but we might or not believe them, etc...

I'd probably be more worried about how little one can know in this game, but 3-0 makes me somewhat relaxed...

Actually, Lift, this is a good time to ask you - impressions based on experience. Is this going better than average? It seems like it but maybe it's just noobness.
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Brasas: Actually, Lift, this is a good time to ask you - impressions based on experience. Is this going better than average? It seems like it but maybe it's just noobness.
Yes, re-shuffle happens when there are less than 3 cards left in the pile and yes, this is going better than average. A 3:0 advantage is rare. We seem to be lucky with our draws and we seem to have been lucky with the 'seating' order of the candidates. Either we had only Liberal governments so far, or the fascist(s) that participated in a government couldn't do anything anti-liberal. Either because of being Hitler or because of not having a choice.
Just to be typical, I confirm that I got 1F 1L.

I think positive energy has given us a good lead. Now the fascists can't hide and risk a 4th liberal policy passed.