At this point I'd be happy to support Brasas as chancellor and Scene as a pretty good second choice.

At this point I'm fairly sure ZFR and RW are goon fascists. Hitler + the 3rd goon have to be among Adalia/Kusu/Greek where Greek seems like the least likely but still possible with some luck, boldness and magnificent play. If we somehow fail to win on the next policy I'd be passing on any of these 5 players for the rest of the game (sorry, wrongfully accused liberal person!).

As for the current government I know I'm a good choice if I have the chance but I'm afraid I won't be provided with such which will both put us on the line and put the final nail in my coffin which by extension will hurt the us as a group and give a bit of advantage to the RW, ZFR and their cronies. I'd rather do a direct jump to the 2 players I see as the most liberal, especially knowing that a potential conflict after a passed F there will supposedly provide information to at least one person (either myself or Greek, depending on who you trust more).

Apology accepted. Btw I wouldn't mind seeing you as president but we have to plan governments for 2 more moves after Lift's government to avoid having the most trusted people ineligible. For example if Lift picks you for president using the special power, you would have a second presidency in a row after 1 failed nomination by Zfr and it's too much of a risk to give you two presidencies.

Insulting the Libs intelligence, that should work for you. Why do you think RWarehall, ZFR and Adalia's spamming group attacks haven't worked yet? Even though as a collective you've outposted libs by about 10 to 1?

Do you think a bit of distancing would of made you guys a bit less obvious? Although I can appreciate that's hard to coordinate for you fascists.

I love how Team fascist keeps planning ahead for when they somehow fail to draw liberal cards. You do know that since every card is in play this time, your sham gets exposed every failure, right?

You watching this Lift? How do you feel about Brasas now?

I don't talk about this obvious scenarios. You still don't get it?

Dude, if it was not obvious this convo had two goals in mind:
A - push you a bit, since I've been busy and still see you as the critical quarterback for the scum team
B - give you a chance to change my mind on who the scum team are, to push back on my potential tunneling


This game and Resistance are different enough. Quote for ZFR previous experience with this? Was that scumchat? :P

Thanks for the reads, they are logical enough and useful considering that I know my alignment and need to adjust ofc - but the two things that are pinging me despite your logic:
- not town play: you are experienced enough to know that town has to commit to trust despite WIFOM + you have not really tried to push forward the strategy that derives from your reads, instead acting like there is some brilliant trap in letting those that you scum read lead the game
- tone: I haven't really played with you before, or not much. I did notice you become more abrasive after the ZFR melt. And I had a chance to read recently Cristi somewhere saying that in her opinion you have an aggressive edge as scum that you don't as town. I certainly had not noticed anything like that, but if I'm right (will know 100% when the game ends) then it looks she was on to something. Which I want to tell you, is raising my opinion of you - because to be very direct, I always thought you were quite the asshole, and yet, this is making me reevaluate that as more pose than I have ever assumed.

I would invite and push ZFR and Adalia to comment as it would be interesting to see If / Where they distance from your reads. But it will have to be just an invite - I should be in bed already.

We don't have TV actually... I know, the mind boggles.

Whatever shit for brains...you entered the discussion yelling FUD and shitposting. Talk about being an abusive fuck. Seriously, if that's the way you want to play, screw you. Take your ill gotten win.

You call YOUR play town play? That's a whole load of crap.

In short go fuck yourself. I'm done.

At this point I know you are an asshole.

Ok let's relax a bit. If anyone wants to win kipper's giveaway you can go here and win up to $40 game. We have found almost all the answers except the last one.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/kippers_2nd_game_giveaway

I request a replacement.

I'm done playing with insulting jerks like Brasas. I'm sure he will represent our Mafia community well with all his shitposting FUD crap..

@RW: Yes, I am following this exchange between you and Brasas. It is quite interesting and think I saw something but I'm not sure yet. In any case, somehow ZFR plays a vital role in the discussion between you two. You read him as liberal because the people you read as scum attacked him and because he voted NO against himself. You asked the question why a fascist would pass up the chance of participating in a government. You're right, one would expect a fascist to vote for getting into a government. But so would one expect from a liberal: as a liberal, you have exactly one person you can trust. Yourself. And if you are in a government, you can learn a lot about your government partner. So that early in the game it's not a good idea to turn down the chance to govern. Later there can be reasons to do so, if for example the general consensus is to skip a government. But at that time ZFR voting against himself didn't make a lot of sense for either faction. Although I could construct a reason for a fascist to do so. We were publicly stating our votes at the time and if a fascist sees that most liberals vote no, he might try to swim with the stream and vote no too to appear to be thinking just like the liberals.

This 'seeing the votes' might actually also be an explanation for the acceptance of the me/greek government in spite of the 3-0 danger. If the first persons announcing their yes were liberal, the fascists might have known that they have no chance to stop that government and again just went with the flow to appear liberal. That is by the way why I later suggested to stop discussing votes publicly. To leave the fascists wondering and force them to show their true intentions more. Of course, if we assume that the first persons voting for that government were liberal, that would make ZFR, dedo and you liberal (and greek and me). On the other hand, if you assume that the fascists were driving the 'Yes' votes on that vote, that would mean that one or two fascists are among the same persons.


@greek: why ever would I make dedo a president, if I fail to get a L policy passed? It wouldn't only be too risky to give him two governments, but even for one there are better candidates. IF dedo is liberal, then Brasas has to be too. But if Brasas is liberal, dedo can still be fascist. So however you look at it, Brasas has a higher likelyhood of being liberal than dedo. And if Brasas is fascist, then dedo is too. So a definite no to dedo as a candidate.
Also, you repeatedly suggested persons to choose as next president, if I am forced to do so. But you never suggested yourself. Why? Wouldn't you be the obvious choice?


@kusu and blotunga (and adalia too): I really would like to get more input from you. What do you think about RW, Brasas and ZFR? Greek, Scene and dedo seem to have clear positions, but your opinion is missing.

You have misunderstood me.
Have you read my past posts? I have said exactly what you are saying now. I am obviously referring to the FFF scenario, as last time when you told me that you wouldn't make brasas president if an L wasn't passef.
Well, duhhhh!

Damn. That's what I get for sending after getting distracted by the phone. Now I addressed you in my post and didn't see this one of yours.

Really? Replacement because of hard words? Sure, Brasas calling you an asshole was uncalled for. But there were lots of hard words in this game. ZFR used some. Hell, you did! I did. So why give up over some hard words?

@ Lift

sorry I am in hurry to work. I'll tell you later about RW and Brasas as I need to re-read their posts.

But I am pretty sure ZFR is a liberal. He made to a small post back when dedo was elected as president but before the policy was passed. I believe no fascist would say that in that situation. That makes me sure he is a liberal

You saw my past posts where I was talking about Brasas being strictly better than dedo right? And saying if brasas is fascist etc etc. I am pretty sure I have at least teo posts about this.
About the president, yes I am a candidate but if you pick brasas who the hell do we pick for my chancellor? I don't know about you but I have no idea about who could be Hitler. Me and you chancellors from now on is the safest play I see.

Yes, of course your were talking about the FFF scenario. So was I. That wasn't what my question was. The question was: why would you prefer not to be president. You suggested repeatedly the combination of Brasas=president and you=chancellor. Why not the other way round? Why not you president and someone you trust as chancellor?