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Crosmando: I hope they use WinUAE with WHDLoad (http://whdload.de/).
I do as well. The WHDLoad experience is sooo much better than ADF files and the accompanying scripts/hacks to get them to work properly. I'm a big supporter of WHDLoad, I bought a copy a long time ago.

Just echoing everyone else, but crazy excited about this. I'm a huge Amiga fan (see the avatar) - I still have an A4000 hooked up in my office for whenever I need a retro fix of Shadow of the Beast, Alien Breed, or Weird Dreams! Love to see some It Came From the Desert, Rocket ranger, and 3 Stooges action on here!
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rtcvb32: I heard the Amiga was a good system, but never used it myself. I have to wonder what their game strategy is going to be. 10-20 games at a time with a similar theme? A dollar per individual game?
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Wishbone: Basically, for any DOS game released before 1993 that also had an Amiga version, the Amiga version was superior. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between. Hence, for any DOS game from that era worth selling on its own, the Amiga version should be worth at least as much.

The strengths of the Amiga compared to the PC at the time were better graphics and sound. When the PC finally caught up, it left the Amiga behind very fast.

Also, Commodore (the company behind the Amiga) was not known for its keen grasp of marketing. And old joke goes that if Commodore ever acquired Kentucky Fried Chicken, they would rename it Warm Dead Bird.
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rtcvb32: Now i'm curious about the interface... I recall trying to play some of the more interesting dungeon crawling games on Atari a while back that used 4 floppy disks; It got annoying fast when you got into a fight and had to turn the disk over before the fight would begin so it could load the data... If the games required multiple disks i wonder if they are going to do any hacking so it strings the game into a single disk virtually or something so that type of thing goes away...
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Wishbone: UAE, which is the most widely used Amiga emulator, supports up to four simultaneous disk drives, same as the Amiga itself did. Hence, for any game using 4 disks or less, no swapping is involved (as long as the game itself supports multiple disk drives, but most of them do).

A piece of software called WHDLoad also exists, which allows you to install a wide selection of games to a virtual Amiga hard drive, even though the games originally only had a floppy version.

But the floppy disks were part of the reason why the Amiga lagged behind in the end. When games began to grow in size, the Amiga was in serious trouble. Amiga floppies were only 720KB, while PC floppies were 1,44MB. Hence, you needed twice the amount of Amiga disks as PC disks to store the same amount of data. This was exemplified by Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge, which on the Amiga came on 11 floppies, as far as I remember. It probably did have an option to install to HDD, but since Amiga HDDs were hellishly expensive (they were not standard components like PC HDDs are), very few people had them, and so had no other option but to swap like mad or buy a PC, if they wanted to play the game.
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rtcvb32: I'm sure there's quite a few games i'm willing to buy, although i probably already have them on a backup disc somewhere with a huge collection of emulation stuff... Now i'm almost getting excited.
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Wishbone: Well, availability has never been a problem with Amiga games. Legal availability is a whole other story, however.
IIRC Amiga HDs started at 10Mb and ranged in 10Mb increments up to 100Mb, which you'd need to re-mortgage your home to buy!
Thems were the days!
Amiga games?!

I want Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 and i want it yesterday.
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Crosmando: I hope they use WinUAE with WHDLoad (http://whdload.de/).
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Megaboz: I do as well. The WHDLoad experience is sooo much better than ADF files and the accompanying scripts/hacks to get them to work properly. I'm a big supporter of WHDLoad, I bought a copy a long time ago.

Just echoing everyone else, but crazy excited about this. I'm a huge Amiga fan (see the avatar) - I still have an A4000 hooked up in my office for whenever I need a retro fix of Shadow of the Beast, Alien Breed, or Weird Dreams! Love to see some It Came From the Desert, Rocket ranger, and 3 Stooges action on here!
dare i ask what that 4000 cost you ?

the few time si looked in to the amiga the high price tags of the 3000 and 4000 scared me off
hell even the 500 is getting pricey these days
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Wishbone: The question is whether improved compression algorithms would be feasible at all. The Amiga 500 used a Motorola 68000 processor running at about 7MHz. If a higher compression rate meant having to wait half an hour for the game to decompress, chances are you'd rather swap disks. Also, with a standard memory size of only 512KB (less than a floppy) and no hard drive, where would you decompress it to?
Depends on the complexity of the compression technique used. But probably rolling window would have done the best. But yeah it's a balance between speed & space.

As for memory, most compression techniques work between 4k and 64k, going larger doesn't give you too much more gain. Quite often decompressing is faster than reading from a disk, but this is old systems we're talking about so i'm not sure. If you could do decompression while waiting for the next read from the disk then it would give great gains in speed, otherwise the compression technique would have to be fairly simple and fast especially for 7Mhz. Lzo is a good example, but that's long after 8/16-bit systems were out of style.
I feel like Xmas is right around the corner now. Even just getting the Cinemaware games is great in and of itself. But if this is the start of an Amiga games revival, then I have much work ahead. Joyous work.
Maybe other deals can be cut, so we can get the original Amiga Speedball for example...
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rtcvb32: And when has the world of computing ever referred to the formatted size? They always use the raw size to make it sound bigger.
What has that to do with anything? It was still an unfair comparison that Wishbone just did. :P If he says that disks formatted for PC had 1,44 MB then Amiga disks had 880kb.

Edit: OooOOOOoooh... now I see. The Amiga could read IBM formatted disks of up to 720kb in size, that's where Wishbone got the number from. Disks specifically formatted for Amiga had 880kb and even more could be reached with custom formatting drivers.
Post edited September 05, 2014 by F4LL0UT
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Megaboz: I do as well. The WHDLoad experience is sooo much better than ADF files and the accompanying scripts/hacks to get them to work properly. I'm a big supporter of WHDLoad, I bought a copy a long time ago.

Just echoing everyone else, but crazy excited about this. I'm a huge Amiga fan (see the avatar) - I still have an A4000 hooked up in my office for whenever I need a retro fix of Shadow of the Beast, Alien Breed, or Weird Dreams! Love to see some It Came From the Desert, Rocket ranger, and 3 Stooges action on here!
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snowkatt: dare i ask what that 4000 cost you ?

the few time si looked in to the amiga the high price tags of the 3000 and 4000 scared me off
hell even the 500 is getting pricey these days
I actually lucked out - I got this A4000 about 10 years ago, brand new in box (which was amazing in itself), for $200 (USD) on Craigslist from a guy who previously used Amigas in mall kiosks. I'm kicking myself to this day though - he had another new one he was selling, but I couldn't afford the extra 200. I should have just found the money somewhere, it was a crazy good deal.

I was just scanning eBay, it looks like the prices have definitely gone up - are you searching there or Craigslist? If you don't need the internal expansion, a A1200 with a good accelerator card w/ SCSI adapter can also be a good, cheaper alternative too.
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snowkatt: dare i ask what that 4000 cost you ?

the few time si looked in to the amiga the high price tags of the 3000 and 4000 scared me off
hell even the 500 is getting pricey these days
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Megaboz: I actually lucked out - I got this A4000 about 10 years ago, brand new in box (which was amazing in itself), for $200 (USD) on Craigslist from a guy who previously used Amigas in mall kiosks. I'm kicking myself to this day though - he had another new one he was selling, but I couldn't afford the extra 200. I should have just found the money somewhere, it was a crazy good deal.

I was just scanning eBay, it looks like the prices have definitely gone up - are you searching there or Craigslist? If you don't need the internal expansion, a A1200 with a good accelerator card w/ SCSI adapter can also be a good, cheaper alternative too.
Amiga's are expensive. Not only are they are a collectable machine and a popular one back in the day they are still very popular today. Lord knows i've wanted a 600 & a 1200 for long enough but been turned off by prices.
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F4LL0UT: Edit: OooOOOOoooh... now I see. The Amiga could read IBM formatted disks of up to 720kb in size, that's where Wishbone got the number from. Disks specifically formatted for Amiga had 880kb and even more could be reached with custom formatting drivers.
There's also the supposedly super disks for DOS and early window systems that was 1.88Mb or like 2.2Mb in size, i forget exactly, they did the same thing where they tried to take advantage of more of the marked dead space between sectors allowing more data to be fit on the disks. It had to be done during low-level formatting.
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Wishbone: Amiga floppies were only 720KB, while PC floppies were 1,44MB. Hence, you needed twice the amount of Amiga disks as PC disks to store the same amount of data.
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F4LL0UT: You just compared the actually available space on Amiga formatted disks to the theoretical volume of PC disks. IIRC Amiga disks were actually formatted to 880kb and PC formatted disks actually had 1,38 MB available.
You are correct. According to Wikipedia, Amiga disks could even be formatted as high as 984kB with custom formatting drivers.
Nice! I've always wanted to try Amiga games! Has there been a set release date?
There's soooo many great Amiga games I don't even know where to begin.
Better wait for the first one before flooding the community wishlist to a total GOGbear state :D
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F4LL0UT: Edit: OooOOOOoooh... now I see. The Amiga could read IBM formatted disks of up to 720kb in size, that's where Wishbone got the number from.
Nope, I pulled the number out of my ass, actually ;-) That is to say, I remembered it wrongly. My memory seemed to tell me that Amiga disks were 720kB in size, but on this occasion, my memory was wrong.