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amok: are you freaking kidding me? The date on that post is August 20 2012. What the heck have gOg been doing those 2 years?
GoG can only release what's given to them, assuming there aren't any (hidden) legal problems...

Perhaps the emulators needed touchups or improvements... Funding a group making an emulator seems like a good idea to get some of the games moving. Or maybe specific games are getting custom touchups to work better with the emulators? Hmmm lots of possibilities.
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amok: are you freaking kidding me? The date on that post is August 20 2012. What the heck have gOg been doing those 2 years?
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rtcvb32: GoG can only release what's given to them, assuming there aren't any (hidden) legal problems...

Perhaps the emulators needed touchups or improvements... Funding a group making an emulator seems like a good idea to get some of the games moving. Or maybe specific games are getting custom touchups to work better with the emulators? Hmmm lots of possibilities.
2 years!
edit - they could have coded the games from scratch in that time.
Post edited September 05, 2014 by amok
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amok: again - you are putting blame on the wrong part. It is not valve "muscling in" - it is the publishers wanting to push their game on as many stores as possible.
Do you really think Valve would have let older games in their library if they didn't see them being successful elsewhere? Considering one of the conditions that was really strong a while back, was steam's API had to be integrated into the software, and older titles just can't do that since the sources are probably lost. It's only recently they just opened the floodgates and stopped any semblance of caring.
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amok: 2 years!
edit - they could have coded the games from scratch in that time.
Maybe they did...
Post edited September 05, 2014 by rtcvb32
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amok: again - you are putting blame on the wrong part. It is not valve "muscling in" - it is the publishers wanting to push their game on as many stores as possible.
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rtcvb32: Do you really think Valve would have let older games in their library if they didn't see them being successful elsewhere? Considering one of the conditions that was really strong a while back, was steam's API had to be integrated into the software, and older titles just can't do that since the sources are probably lost. It's only recently they just opened the floodgates and stopped any semblance of caring.
yeah... so when people are also complaining that Valve have no quality control and just let anything on Steam... they do not care. Blame the publishers if you really want to blame someone.

As said - those publishers also sell the classics on others stores also, not only Steam.
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amok: no, not a type, but left out a bit at the end. - "for old gaems"

there is a double standard - complaining that someone have a monopoly, but wanting someone else to have one.
I get it, and in principle I agree. However, the fact of the matter is that for any game available in both Steam and other stores, the vast majority of sold copies are sold on Steam. It seems that the only way to get the majority of people to buy any game anywhere besides Steam, is for the game to not be sold there in the first place.

Notice that he didn't say he hoped no other stores would sell those games, just Steam. In other words, he doesn't necessarily want GOG to have a monopoly, he just doesn't want them to have to compete with Steam, since the victor would be a foregone conclusion.
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amok: As said - those publishers also sell the classics on others stores also, not only Steam.
Maybe the difference is that Steam is more like the Borg... They are honestly too big and shouldn't be as big as they are.
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amok: no, not a type, but left out a bit at the end. - "for old gaems"

there is a double standard - complaining that someone have a monopoly, but wanting someone else to have one.
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Wishbone: I get it, and in principle I agree. However, the fact of the matter is that for any game available in both Steam and other stores, the vast majority of sold copies are sold on Steam. It seems that the only way to get the majority of people to buy any game anywhere besides Steam, is for the game to not be sold there in the first place.

Notice that he didn't say he hoped no other stores would sell those games, just Steam. In other words, he doesn't necessarily want GOG to have a monopoly, he just doesn't want them to have to compete with Steam, since the victor would be a foregone conclusion.
personally I am just happy that the games comes out again. I hope they will be sold in as many stores as possible, so as many people as possible can experience them, and it can reach as large an audience as possible. They deserve it. I think this discussion is very petty, to be honest.


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amok: As said - those publishers also sell the classics on others stores also, not only Steam.
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rtcvb32: Maybe the difference is that Steam is more like the Borg... They are honestly too big and shouldn't be as big as they are.
see above
Post edited September 05, 2014 by amok
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rtcvb32: Walmart could muscle in and sell whiskey too if they really wanted to, but they don't.
Well, alcohol's not really the right parallel, there can be all sorts of local restrictions here that limit Walmart's ability to sell whiskey. (For example: dry counties that don't allow alcohol sales at all, states that allow hard liquor to be sold only in specialized liquor stores or restaurants/bars, and "blue laws" that restrict alcohol sales on Sundays.) Clothing might be a better analogy. :)
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Wishbone: Notice that he didn't say he hoped no other stores would sell those games, just Steam. In other words, he doesn't necessarily want GOG to have a monopoly, he just doesn't want them to have to compete with Steam, since the victor would be a foregone conclusion.
Thank you :)
Amazing news. So many great games from the Amiga era I'd love to be able to play again.
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Luned: Well, alcohol's not really the right parallel, there can be all sorts of local restrictions here that limit Walmart's ability to sell whiskey.
I disagree. Quite often Walmart can have closed off sections that separate alcohol from elsewhere to accommodate all those laws/issues easily. It could be based on fees, i'm not sure what the laws are but if a license to sell hard liquor includes the whole store square footage as part of the fees for the state, then profits might be dropped down to nothing quite quickly since although in theory a walmart could put up 2000 square feet of inventory for hard liquor, it would probably be 100 or less, yet they might get charged the other 1900 feet for potentially selling alcohol.

Or maybe it's the training and wages for people qualified to sell alcohol (and we know walmart wants to be able to fire anyone at any moment). I'm not sure, but i wouldn't be surprised it's more a pain in the butt than it's worth than anything else.
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Fever_Discordia: Maybe they won't be - maybe they'll just include the Amiga disk images with the DOS versions as bonus content and it's up to you what you do with them
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tburger: That is very likely....

Nevertheless - Cinemaware on GOG=best piece of news I saw here for a long time :-P
Man, I hope not. Amiga emulation is a serious hassle. It would be great if GOG could cut through that and give people something they could just click on and play, as with the DOS games.
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amok: personally I am just happy that the games comes out again. I hope they will be sold in as many stores as possible, so as many people as possible can experience them, and it can reach as large an audience as possible. They deserve it. I think this discussion is very petty, to be honest.
Again, I agree. I was just trying to explain his viewpoint as I saw it, because you seemed to be ascribing to him sinister motives I did not believe he had.

Still, I do confess to a bit of the same feeling, but for purely selfish reasons. I do not believe that Valve would treat Amiga games with the care and respect they deserve. I'm afraid that if they did start selling them, it would be with their usual lack of quality control. Publishers would be tempted to make shoddy emulator wrappers with little testing done and no support available. GOG would see Steam taking over the market for Amiga games and give up on selling them, because it would not be economically viable with Steam as a competitor. And the vast hordes of Steam users would try a few games out of curiosity, run into technical difficulties, get no support, conclude that all Amiga games suck, and go back to playing Call of Duty 38: Many Men With Guns. And so, the Amiga games would once again sink beneath the murky waters of oblivion, never to be seen again in any commercial setting.

Disclaimer: I use Steam myself. If you do too, please don't be offended by the above. I was painting a carricature of a dystopian scenario, which called for a bit of artistic license ;-)

Most likely, if GOG do get Amiga games, it'll only be as bonuses to the DOS versions, and probably just ADF images at that, which makes the whole rant above completely obsolete. Still, if anybody are ever going to sell well-supported working-out-of-the-box DRM-free Amiga games to a wide audience, who but GOG would you entrust the job to?
What I like best is the Amiga era was a time when there was a lot of emphasis on gameplay. Sometimes modern games get so caught up on the visuals, the actual gameplay is second fiddle. Don't get me wrong, there are many games I've enjoyed because they are witty or unique or visually stunning, just the gameplay itself was meh.

Driftmoon has an amazing story with foreshadowing and it's interconnected well. It's very funny and ironic in parts. The actual combat is very weak.

I loved Wings, played the heck out of it back in the day. So glad we might see some real classics. At the peak of Amiga, it had the best games, so to me, these are the classics of that time.
Why do every single thread on gOg revert to a Steam and Valve discussion? Can't you people just be happy that the classics are coming back without all this bickering?

good grief....