What are you all arguing about even? o_0

Liberals... keep it cool please... all the FUD muddies the waters significantly for the rest of us.

I'll come back to post more in some minutes. Assuming my kid cooperates...

Brasas is supposedly an experienced player. Posting his guess before the votes are submitted could be seen by some as a sign to fascists to cover themselves by voting yes. He didn't think of that? Even a 3-0 can be turned around by fascists as long they are hidden taking into account that the deck would have at least 3 less liberal policies in the second round so mthe thought that was the best strategy for fascists at that point.

EDIT : mthe = maybe he
Mobile keyboard error
I am not accusing brasas to be a fascist, I am just saying that this was a play that could be interpreted this way

@ ZFR see what RW did there? That's how you handle bait as scum - you fake being the hurt towny.
You could not have had a better scum mate.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It is a good movie...

LOL

... because ZFR overextended on his LAMIST no vote on himself, got nervous at the backlash and lost his mind, melted down up to shitposting under pressure, and is now FUDing the game to hell. And you buddied to him, ignoring how blatantly non Liberal his reactions were. ZFR is not Drealmer RW, and even Drealmer was scum some of the times he went kaboom.

I understand that repetition even of something super obviously BS like "ZFR is a paragon of Liberal virtue" can work for you. I hope that fellow Liberals will not drop the ball and keep their cool through all the mess you two are raising.

Not EVERY... mostly just all the FUD you and ZFR are throwing up.

The discussions that are worth having I am paying atention to:
1 - "voting" on who should be investigated by dedo
2 - discussing who would be the next government before greek's

Maybe you pipe down a bit and let other Liberals get their time in the soapbox? Even going along with the ridiculous assumption that you and ZFR are Liberal and I am Scum there would be 4 more Liberals that you are effectively silencing.

Bingo. Or in other words: effort posting can be faked. Hence why prog matters, because scum knows more than they let on, and it's good to notice their faked prog shift due to opening of gamestate opportunities from actions of the less predictable townies.

As you yourself noticed at some point Liberals have to go on faith... it's absolutely impossible for most of the liberals to know much for certain.

Default No increases the number of votes on governments, therefore offers more information for analysis. Extreme No defaulting by all the players is of course not fertile ground for analysis but still no downside because it only shifts the government that would get the default Yes.

I do like it that you are now going in the Greek is Hitler direction. Your divine inspiration via random.org was truly inspired. :)

What's the difference? I thought Hitler is also Fascist for faction...

+1

*scratches head* Well... I have done a lot of such manipulation of the votes, but in the opposite direction. I was super explicit about No voting for Liberal reasons and I think overall discussing votes in advance is positive for Liberals. I was ok with Lift's idea and didn't ask anyone what they'd vote but you might recall I wanted everyone to discuss what approach they preferred.

So what you call manipulation I actually call leading by example...

I mean, I'm not perfect and I can't think of everything... in fact I feel like RW and ZFR are demanding a lot of my attention. But this is a team game, and there's 5 more of you in my team whom I have to trust will pull through.

Damn, that's a lot of stuff to read...

And not much gold in there I'm afraid...

Sorry. Very bad day here. So I can't answer in detail or analyze in detail. I hope I didn't miss anything crucial. From what I read:

@ZFR: yes, your analysis is correct. Greek could still be Hitler. But it would be quite good play for a newbie. Of course not impossible, greek seems a shrewd player. But still I think it's more likely that greek is liberal.

Anyhow: as you noticed yourself, as long as less than three fascist policies are in play, Hitler as Chancellor is no danger to us. So I say we stick with the plan of making Greek Chancellor to the next president. It's still the best plan as far as I can see.

On the topic whom to investigate, that is actually difficult. Brasas has lots of controversy around him. So an investigation might be in order. That investigation will not necessarily clear the controversy. But it might make factions more visible.

adalia, however, is still mostly an unwritten page. That would make an investigation interesting too. So if I would trust dedo I would say investigate adalia and if dedo clears him, we're golden. But since I DON'T trust dedo completely, maybe it's better to stick with investigating Brasas. That gives us more to work with, I think.

So my advice to dedo would be: investigate Brasas and then we take it from there.

By saying "not fascist" Zfr meant no vanilla fascist. He meant that the proven big chance was that I was either liberal or Hitler. I disagree with this, I don't think would follow my line of play from the beginning of the game up to that point, but that's not important. I don't think anyone would want a conflict with me:D

just one question: why when I make an analysis, back it up with actual facts and point out possibilities you dismiss it as FUD, but when scene pulled out accusations out of thin air, continuosly ignores my requests to point a fact that backs them, you weren't talking about FUD then?

Seriously? You're going to argue semantics now? You're honestly telling me you think there is no difference?

So that means we are buds now, right? Love you too, fam!


Oh noes, we've been figured out! I told you RW shouldn't be underestimated.


You're reaching. I think I made it clear I don't trust him enough to support his election. Wouldn't campaigning for his office out of the blue be kind of obvious contradiction? I'm starting to question our BFF status.


Wat? Pics or it didn't happen!! But seriously, what?! I've been nagging the whole game I have the feeling he is playing me and now I'm suddenly supportive of him?


My reading is going slow, so there might be subsequent posts that negate some things in this one. Will post again shortly after another batch of catching up.

I retract my original question as you are actually correct that POV matters quite a lot in this particular situation.


Emphasis added by me. What do you mean "If I were a liberal in your place"??


I'm caught up. Brasas and adaliabooks seem like popular investigation targets. I think I favor investigating Brasas a bit more so I can get rid of any paranoia coming from that end but if more people think adalia is the better choice I'd be fine with that, too.

If I were RW, and if I were a liberal (I put this since I don't know if RW is liberal)

I can't think of any result you give us to either of those two, that is not going to be WIFOM, so... whichever. Brasas is good.

I'm leaning towards investigating Adalia here. Nothing but simply curiosity. He/she has been silent for most of time, I would like to know more.

Brasas is too uncertain and all discussions lately clouded the water than even additional info from investigation won't do much good in clearing up the situation. At least that's how I see it.

If we are voting who to investigate then I choose Adalia

As I've been trying to point out all game, all investigations are tainted by the fact that they all derive from a fascist policy being passed. I think it rather silly that anyone thinks this is an important decision because whatever you tell us very well might be a lie to lure us to the wrong decision, or even the truth with an attempt to counter-guess us.

So my advice, in what I consider the unlikely event you are somehow a liberal, investigate whomever you feel helps yourself figure out who is what faction. If investigating one of Adalia or Brasas is that person, good for you. But realize that no matter what you report your results should have zero bearing on our decisions because you cannot be trusted.

But if I were you, I wouldn't just limit it to those two. If there is someone else that would better clarify the factions or clarify more people to you, pick them. Because any right-thinking person in this game should be disregarding whatever you have to say and this investigation really will primary just help you.