Not much to talk about. I got FFF. I still want to investigate Lift.

Yes, I got FF and I still would like to be investigated.

But let's hear what the others think, now that the game isn't over. If the draw has been reported correctly, the next government will have a 58% chance of drawing L.

I'm happy for Lift to be investigated, I'm not sure what it gains, if greek is Hitler he could well confirm you as liberal so you trust him to be chancellor in the future... So it's not like we can 100% trust this one either.

What's the next government going to be?
It's Kusu, scene or Lift isn't it? So I presume unless there is a conflict here we cycle back to Lift?

Let's think about this, if Greek is Hitler/Fascist how does he play an investigation? Does he discredit or know he probably get's 2 plays after the next round? Or worse yet both are F.

I think Greek and Lift are probably Liberal but if they aren't F wins.

So we should probably go with the plan BUT if fascist policy gets passed against start to seriously question both Lift and Greek because the odds of drawing a Liberal card from the next round on are now high.

If the next government fails can we afford to go Brasas-Greek in this scenario with the possibility of Greek being Hitler? That's a tough decision.

I think it should be Lift.
It gives more guidance about how to proceed.

I'll go into it more after we get a reported result back.

There is no reason not to go through with the established plan, so let's see what results the investigation brings and go from there.

Good. Investigate me, then we see what the result tells us and who out of (Kusu, Scene, Me) should be the next president.

When did the investigate Lift start, it seems a little rushed. The fact RWarehall has wanted it for a while concerns me. Although that could be a double bluff

I think the investigation and the next gov should be related.

Can anyone summarize the pros and cons of investigating Lift vs Scene - because Scene is more controversial / messy so I see more upside there? Is there some "safe" play anyone thought about?

Other potential ideas I had:
- investigate dedo, which ties into his investigation of me
- investigate kusu

At this point we should maximize the chance to clear someone as liberal and Lift has the greatest chance. If kusu or scene or dedo turn out fascists, we don't gain much and it will be difficult to proceed just with estimated guesses. I think the "safest" play is investigating Lift and if he is liberal, then a Lift - brasas government. After that if we haven't won and there isn't a conflict, Lift will appoint you as president and you will choose me for chancellor. I don't know how to calculate the probabilities but I suppose there is more than 90% for the next 2 governments to draw at least one L and even if this doesn't happen we will still be in the game.

I don't think dedo gives us so much to work with. If not me, it should be one of the other next presidential candidates and I guess that's also where the 'investigate Lift' idea came from. But it would also be conceivable to investigate kusu or Scene.

I already wrote my preference for being investigated myself. Being investigated gives me some information too. But I'm aware that kusu and Scene will have the same preference. So I guess the decision who the next president should be should be coupled to the decision whom to investigate. If you want to cycle the government to me, investigate me. If you prefer to give the next government to kusu or Scene, investigate them.

Also this decision is not unimportant. This is the last investigation we get. Of course an investigation never clears anyone 100%. Since there is always the possibility that Greek is Fascist or even both Greek and his investigatee are both fascist. Which, again, is why I want to be investigated, because then I know that at least one half of the investigator/investigatee pair is definitely liberal. Makes it easier to read.

There are a number of issues I can see;

Investigating dedo makes a certain amount of sense, but if greek, dedo and you are all Fascists then greek will just confirm him and we probably lose. If he outs him as a fascist does that mean you are too or not? Or is greek Hitler and trying to win any conflict by using his strong reputation?

If scene is fascist is doesn't really tell us about dedo or you, and it could well be greek using his better reputation to win a conflict and tarnish him. If he is liberal then dedo and you could still be fascist too.

kusu (or any less discussed or known player, though I know kusu makes sense as he is in line for the presidency) has merit, but again if greek says he's fascist can we actually trust him? Or will he say he's liberal (assuming he is) and hope to buy his trust and be kept in the loop for possible president / chancellor.

So basically whoever he investigates is a big mess of WIFOM. At least if he investigates Lift we can know whether the two of them are on the same team or not. And if they are on the same team then they are probably both Liberal as I can't see them taking the risks they have as fascists.
Of course if greek is Hitler he could confirm Lift as Liberal to make it look like they are both Liberal... so really even that choice isn't perfect.

Basically if we trust greek then whoever he investigates is good, if we don't trust him it doesn't matter. And particularly after passing an F policy I'm not sure we can 100% trust him any more. If he has buried an L policy for example then he may count on the next government getting 3 F to bring us to the danger zone and then be elected as chancellor and win as Hitler.
Or he could be a liberal who genuinely drew 3 F due to the luck of the draw.

I think investigating Lift makes sense, as does cycling back to him as president. He is still among the most confirmed and even if he does pass an F next government we don't lose so him and greek can be blacklisted then.

Definitely. If the third F policy is passed, we have to be very careful about the Chancellor. So blacklisting Greek and me, especially as chancellors, would be a necessary move.

What??? What is this about blacklisting especially if I clear you? You may as well throw a dice to choose a chancellor. How is anyone else not a threat?

I stand by my orig8nal preference. Investigate RW or dedo.